Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: kuhpunktLiam linked the Tweet from Sweeney (which is what the lawsuit refers to, not the contract!) and people called him out already back in 2019.

The lawsuit does not only link to that, as is made clear from the article it is talking about the Steam agreement. The Tweet was just mentioned as an example of it.

Without citing the contract and while making other false claims. So much of the lawsuit is about the 30% share and how Epic is so much better - which is not the point of the lawsuit at all.

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Quoting: Zlopez

Quoting: MohandevirReally not sure about this one... Nothing forces them to sell on Steam, anyway.

I disagree with this. If you want to hit a bigger audience you need to be on Steam, because it's a #1 platform for most of PC gamers.

Also the EPIC has it's own flaws, like exclusive titles or forcing the devs to drop Linux support for the games if they want to publish on EPIC. (Phoenix Point as an example or their own Unreal Tournament)

I'm using Steam because of what is Valve doing for the Linux community, but there are plenty of things I don't like about the Steam, like vendor lock-in or some of the ethical problems like this one. Next time I will look for something, I will first check the GOG, with minigalaxy it's really easy to manage your games now.

How is this en ethical problem? They don't dictate prices.

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Quoting: Potatoman24

The suit mentions how Valve require developers to sign an agreement that contains a "Most Favored Nations" provision to have developers keep the price of their games the same on Steam as other platforms.

could probably circumvent that using permanent sales(a lot of games do that) or platforms that sell(legal) keys like fanatical.
a lot of games are just cheaper on fanatical though permanent sales
Take for example P4G which was always 16€ when the steam release was always at 20€
right now its 13€

There is a high possibility that instead of these third parties having to put a X%"tax" they just pay a price to get a bunch of keys straight from the OEM and then sell them.

Fanatical is not part of the discussion, because they sell keys. That's different from selling games on other platforms.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: kuhpunktAnd you really think the lawsuit would never have happened? Do you know how many dumb lawsuits are filed all the time?

Liam linked the Tweet from Sweeney (which is what the lawsuit refers to, not the contract!) and people called him out already back in 2019.

Well, I'm not going to dig through a 27-page long lawsuit to see if their claim is really based on only a tweet.
That would be totally dumb indeed - so dumb that I simply refuse to believe someone wasted lawyer time on this.

Well, the burden of proof is not on me. They claim that this is in some "confidential contract" without citing it. That's a very weak argument.

They even claim (page 13) that the share on the Microsoft store has 95/5 for games! That's not true. Microsoft changed the share for apps, not games.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/06/microsoft-store-revenue-share/ [External Link]

They can't even get this right. Utter nonsense.

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Quoting: Mohandevir

... they could lower their prices...

Looking forward to witness that. Quite sure that in the vast majority of cases it will lead to higher prices on Steam. End of story.

Really not sure about this one... Nothing forces them to sell on Steam, anyway.

Lets wait and see, but playing the white knight that will save the customers... Sorry, I'm not buying it. To me, it's just words.

Hitman 3 is on Epic, not on Steam. Epic said: lowers shares will lead to lower prices! Still costs $60.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: kuhpunktThen please show the clause in the contract that dictates this.

From the article:

The suit mentions how Valve require developers to sign an agreement that contains a "Most Favored Nations" provision to have developers keep the price of their games the same on Steam as other platforms.

This means that developers cannot have their game on itch, GOG, Humble or anywhere else at a lower price

Seems self-explanatory to me, I don't need to show you anything.

If this wasn't in the contract with Valve, the lawsuit would indeed be absurd.
But if this wasn't in the contract with Valve, the lawsuit would never have happened as it wasn't necessary to begin with.

You come off like a very aggressive fanboy here.

How am I an aggressive fanboy? It's not in the contract. And you really think the lawsuit would never have happened? Do you know how many dumb lawsuits are filed all the time?

Liam linked the Tweet from Sweeney (which is what the lawsuit refers to, not the contract!) and people called him out already back in 2019.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: SuppenSounds like a well deserved lawsuit

Absolutely.
That's an abuse of market power if I ever saw one.

And nobody profits - except Valve.
Customers get screwed, devs get screwed.

The equivalent would be Amazon not allowing sellers lower prices outside of Amazon's marketplace.

Then please show the clause in the contract that dictates this.

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Quoting: SuppenSounds like a well deserved lawsuit

It's doesn't.

What are your thoughts on this? Should Valve be forced to allow developers to set their own prices, and not require their price to be the same as other stores?

As far as I'm aware Valve already allows that. CD Project Red could sell Cyberpunk 2077 on gog and Epic right now for $20 and $60 o Steam and there's nothing Valve could/would do about it.

They only have one such clause and that applies to STEAM KEYS... which are sold below the Steam price all the time anyway.

This lawsuit is dumb and ridiculous.

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Meine Banane!

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The response from Valve, at least the second part, is just a copy/paste from 2 years ago :grin:

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