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Quoting: Guest...

Why so much hatred to Gaben? Is it envy? He did't become a billionaire for nothing, he earned his billions by making good games and creating the best digital store for PC games. He also saved PC gamers from console slavery and popularizes Linux gaming. Make your own Steam if you want to get rich. Rantings on the Internet definitely won't make you a millionaire.

And playing steam games wont make me a billionairie not a millionairie.
why would i want to be a millionairie?? why cant i be a billionairie??

and he hasnt worked for it, you have. All of your customers work hard for his money in your full time jobs, giving him % of your income. Making money is not good, especially people who have too much money. If a producer is rich and customer is poor it means its shit product.

How to you contribute to open source free linux planet when you play steam games with windows users???

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Quoting: GuestTo be fair if i had same knowledge that people from valve and especially money i would make everything for free and open source.

And where would you get the money from?

However still valve is multibillionairie, lord gaben is a billionairie i am poor. My net worth is about 20 dollars at the moment.
And i can play steam, will dota 2 at least give me 35 dollars of net worth to save money for new PC??

What does this have to do with anything?!

why would iw ant to make and get any money from?? hello 2000 richest persons on the planet have trillions of dollars in their wallets, why would i even bother making money??

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and also another fact is that i had to put effort into migrating from windows to linux. i had to learn a bit how computer is made and how it operates, learn commands, make everything from scratch (if that is philosphy of distro you use)
while windows user only spend money turn laptop on > website > download > steam > done. windows user knows fk all because he pays others to amke that experience for him.
Its same with steam, you wont even think about amking your own games because steam is there for you, you can't be better than them, because they're superior compared to you. You can't beat them.

lol, you're so delusional beyond comprehension.

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Quoting: GuestTo be fair if i had same knowledge that people from valve and especially money i would make everything for free and open source.

And where would you get the money from?

However still valve is multibillionairie, lord gaben is a billionairie i am poor. My net worth is about 20 dollars at the moment.
And i can play steam, will dota 2 at least give me 35 dollars of net worth to save money for new PC??

What does this have to do with anything?!

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Quoting: GuestSo you're saying that if valve ever stopped 'supporting' linux with their platform, you would stop using linux?? Nice, i wouldn't. To me steam is addition to linux world, whole linux world is about open-source not about proprietary.
Valve simply brain wash linux users minds like redhat does. oh now IBM, sorry...

Did you even read what I wrote?!

yeah i am not happy with valve and i still use the platform to play from time to time.
There are people like myself who doesn't really feel great with being customer of multibillionairie corporation.
If most of games available for linux will be on steam, and everybody will make linux games for steam, what is there to choose for me, if i dont wanna use valve but wanna play games????
NOTHING
Im gonna play flare 0ad and wesnoth whole life, at least i can modify it, learn from it cuz source code is free.

And im not gonna feel bad that i contributed to free open source world somehow instead of being a windows like user consumer and consuming content given by multibillionairies.
Even playing free open source games like wesnoth is contributing to linux world, because you play the game that is like your operation system.

And btw. for windows users linux is shit. Don't forget that you play the same games and are the same customers for corporates that those who offend your operation system :)

You didn't read what I wrote, because what you said has nothing to do with it. I didn't even say anything about leaving Linux or anything to that degree.

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Quoting: GuestSo you're saying that if valve ever stopped 'supporting' linux with their platform, you would stop using linux?? Nice, i wouldn't. To me steam is addition to linux world, whole linux world is about open-source not about proprietary.
Valve simply brain wash linux users minds like redhat does. oh now IBM, sorry...

Did you even read what I wrote?!

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Quoting: SamsaiAlright, why is 10% below that line? You yourself called it a downward spiral implying that the line is being crossed.

I said that I have no insider-information and that they will have to operate at a loss AT SOME POINT. I don't know where the line is, but a downward spiral means that this will go on... and IF this will go on and other stores are forced to operate with an even lower cut the line will be crossed.

Quoting: SamsaiAlso, I would like you to explain why you think these services would operate at a loss even if there is absolutely no way for them to maintain that kind of a margin. I mean, it might work in the short term to draw people in but then there would be backlash when the cuts go up, so to me that move would make little sense.

That's what I'm saying. If a game is sold for 5$... they just take 50 cents. For those 50 cents they have to pay transfer fees, hosting, support, traffic and whatever goes into the whole distribution. How much profit will they make off that? I doubt it will be really worth it.

and this race to the bottom is just capitalism working for a change?

[/quote]Hmm? Not every change is good.

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Quoting: SamsaiOr maybe people like Valve have been taking way more than they needed to and this race to the bottom is just capitalism working for a change?

Nowhere did I say that Valve couldn't afford taking a smaller cut or anything - but there's got to be a line that's fair to all parties: Valve, the game developers and the customers. No one is independent of each other here.

Quoting: SamsaiI find it somewhat mind-boggling that distribution platforms taking smaller cuts is seen as some kind of an evil.

As I said: there's a line. Capitalism isn't the best thing in the world, because it will eventually hit you, too.

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Do you have any idea if Valve reached out to this dev? They bought other controller stuff in the past.

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Quoting: kuhpunktAnd the downward spiral continues.

Uh, of who?

Of companies. They will try to beat each other with lower and lower cuts. At some point they will have to operate at a loss. I have no insider-information or anything like that, but 10% isn't much. At what point won't they make any kind of profit anymore? And then what? How will get earn their bucks? Selling user data? I mean in this case and the Epic Store Tencent is involved.

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And the downward spiral continues.

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Quoting: CreakScarcity and property are still relevant, even in the virtual world. Not as much as in the physical world, but it is still a thing.

The blockchain is exactly about that actually: how to bring scarcity and property in a virtual world. Examples: you need to exchange money but don't want anyone to copy it at will; or you want diploma to be owned by one and only one person => you store that in a virtual ledger: the blockchain.

Exactly. Some people just need to get rid of the idea that physical things in themselves often just are worth anything. Money itself isn't worth much. It's just generated out of nothing.

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