Unity3D working on SDL, Wayland and Mir support

Unity is working on SDL supprot and SDL includes X11, Wayland and Mir support; Unity guys are too dumb to work on Wayland and Mir directly, so they are not working on Wayland and Mir and your headline is wrong. Mir, Wayland, X11 and other subsystems support in SDL was worked on by SDL developers an community (guys who are not dumb). It was a damn time to use SDL for an engine which claims support to multiple platforms, they aim too add "Build to XYZ" buttons all over the place but all of their builds, except Windows ones, are bad and full of bugs.

According to screnshoots they are using Ubuntu, a Linux distribution with unique DE, unique display system and unique patches to almost all librarys and unique defaults, hey my Linux traitors, do you know what that means? It means there will be all kind of bugs and issues in other distributions because game developers (engine developers also) dont understand that Ubuntu is "a little bit special kid" and at the end they dont support Linux they support Ubuntu.

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Maybe they will realize the value of vsync.. <snap>

Quoting: c3224Unity is working on SDL supprot and SDL includes X11, Wayland and Mir support; Unity guys are too dumb to work on Wayland and Mir directly, so they are not working on Wayland and Mir and your headline is wrong. Mir, Wayland, X11 and other subsystems support in SDL was worked on by SDL developers an community (guys who are not dumb).
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It is not dumb to not work on things which others are working and share they're work. It is dumb to to work on the same thing witch others are working because you are wasting time and money on things witch is already done and could even work better than your implementation.
In short reinventing the wheel is dumb!

Quoting: c3224Unity is working on SDL supprot and SDL includes X11, Wayland and Mir support; Unity guys are too dumb to work on Wayland and Mir directly, so they are not working on Wayland and Mir and your headline is wrong. Mir, Wayland, X11 and other subsystems support in SDL was worked on by SDL developers an community (guys who are not dumb). It was a damn time to use SDL for an engine which claims support to multiple platforms, they aim too add "Build to XYZ" buttons all over the place but all of their builds, except Windows ones, are bad and full of bugs.

According to screnshoots they are using Ubuntu, a Linux distribution with unique DE, unique display system and unique patches to almost all librarys and unique defaults, hey my Linux traitors, do you know what that means? It means there will be all kind of bugs and issues in other distributions because game developers (engine developers also) dont understand that Ubuntu is "a little bit special kid" and at the end they dont support Linux they support Ubuntu.

kkthnxbye

Dumb message ever ^^ .
- Using existing framework is a smart move. It's totally useless to dev again a new stuff if you can use an existing one. Unless you have good reason to do it.
- If you read the article (yeah it's difficult...) you can see they are working on specific problem for Wayland, so the headline is right and you are wrong.
- If you open your eyes you can see they are testing on a Fedora distribution.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: MGOidI think the Trine games are problematic with OpenSource drivers. I have a Core i7 and a R9 290 (radeonsi driver) and it plays like crap, even if I set everything to low.

Must be one of those bad OpenGL ports, too dependent of the forgiveness in the Nvidia proprietary drivers.

It's probably more that trine is locked in terms of framerate. I'm fairly certain it comes from game logic rather than graphical issues - even if you managed to get a fps higher, the actual on-screen content won't update more than about 30fps. At least, that's how it was when I last played.

Nope, I can't get 30fps. And they let you run the games above 30fps now.

Trine 3 will not even start with the OSS driver. Of the 115 games I have in Linux, only Trine 3 and Dead Island are this bad. I am not touching Techland and Frozenbyte stuff after that.

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Quoting: nifker1. Any special reason why would you support Unity3D?
2. Everyones acting like X11 is the past and is really buggy and slow - but really most don't have real problems with X11 and if there are problems let us fix them or rewrite parts if neccesarry.

But X11 is the past and is really buggy (try for example to create a 100% no-one-can-bypass screen saver lock for X11). More to the point is that the devs behind X11 is the same devs that are creating Wayland.

The only sad thing with these nice changes to Unity3D is that AFAIK Unity3D is statically linked to each game and does not exist as a shared resource in for example Steam so for this new version to be used games have to be updated one by one(?).

As I said stop creating new projects and help existing - for me it is "I WILL NEVER STOP USING X11" unless I'll see dwm for Wayland which I guess won't happen and Wayland needs to be cross-platform like other Unix-software.
Anyway who says it is the past and is buggy - Really who needs screenssavers thats like Im not at my desk but I need something running at my screen.

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Quoting: FUltra

Quoting: nifker1. Any special reason why would you support Unity3D?
2. Everyones acting like X11 is the past and is really buggy and slow - but really most don't have real problems with X11 and if there are problems let us fix them or rewrite parts if neccesarry.

But X11 is the past and is really buggy (try for example to create a 100% no-one-can-bypass screen saver lock for X11). More to the point is that the devs behind X11 is the same devs that are creating Wayland.

The only sad thing with these nice changes to Unity3D is that AFAIK Unity3D is statically linked to each game and does not exist as a shared resource in for example Steam so for this new version to be used games have to be updated one by one(?).

As I said stop creating new projects and help existing - for me it is "I WILL NEVER STOP USING X11" unless I'll see dwm for Wayland which I guess won't happen and Wayland needs to be cross-platform like other Unix-software.
Anyway who says it is the past and is buggy - Really who needs screenssavers thats like Im not at my desk but I need something running at my screen.

Sorry mate, but really that ship has sailed. Yes, X11 has done yeoman service over many years, but as FUltra said, the people making Wayland are the X11 people. It's coming and that's that. And X11 has/creates a whole bunch of security problems, which don't matter to me sitting at my desktop but matter plenty overall. And X11 ultimately just has too many concepts built deep into it which are at odds with how graphics are done now. It just does not, at its core, do things the way modern graphics work, and that creates bottlenecks and limits capability. For a long time the advantages of maturity outweighed that, but the people who developed X11 seem to pretty much all agree that time is past. They could "just update" X11 but for that to work it would have to be a distinction without a difference--the name is about all that would be left.

Wayland has been slow, but it is arriving. And maybe Mir I guess, wtf Canonical and their Not Invented Here syndrome.

Quoting: seb24Using existing framework is a smart move. It's totally useless to dev again a new stuff if you can use an existing one. Unless you have good reason to do it.

First SDL is not a framework, second I didnt said using existing API is dumb I said Unity devs are too stupid to work on something bleeding edge like Wayland or Mir, not using SDL till now is also stupid. If they want to be so 1337 and pro-F/LOSS they can use SDL on Windows too, if they do that ill join to the Unity circle jerk too.

Quoting: seb24If you read the article (yeah it's difficult...) you can see they are working on specific problem for Wayland, so the headline is right and you are wrong.

It is hard to read the articles on this site lately when they are full of circlejerk, so please tell me what is that specific problem, how to use Wayland in C#? How to compile it on Windows? Or Mac maybe?

Quoting: seb24If you open your eyes you can see they are testing on a Fedora distribution.

Im not expert on Ubuntu or Fedora systems, but first two SS look like Ubuntu. Running something for 1 sec is not testing, according to all bugs I encountered in their engine on Linux they dont know what testing is. I did a lot of testing on Unity, reported bugs to game devs, they said it was forwarded to Unity devs, bugs where around for 1+ year they may persist til now I cant check because Steam is removed from my Linux installation, booting and playing games on Windows is more tolerable than playing them on Linux. And what they are going to do when they discover bugs on Linux, cry and wait until bit rot fix it by accident, because they are not going to fix it, just look at all reported bugs on Steam forums.

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QuoteIf they want to be so 1337 and pro-F/LOSS they can use SDL on Windows too

It's not out of the question, actually - if we can still achieve everything we want and remove a bunch of duplicated/reïmplemented code on multiple platforms, everybody wins.

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Quoting: MGOidNope, I can't get 30fps. And they let you run the games above 30fps now.

Trine 3 will not even start with the OSS driver. Of the 115 games I have in Linux, only Trine 3 and Dead Island are this bad. I am not touching Techland and Frozenbyte stuff after that.

Guess they've removed that target by now, but I'm still dubious about how much on-screen content will actually change. Pushing more frames to the monitor when nothing is changing doesn't make gameplay smoother, but some people just like to see a high number.

Trine3 is....yes, the less said the better about that. It's the one game I've never even been able to start playing. Don't have Dead Island.

Ok, enough, I'll not continue this sub-thread and derail the main topic anymore - apologies about that!

Hehe, since I never played Trine 1 and 2 before the 3, I really didn't share the hate towards the third game :-) I actually played it a bit in Windows to compare the performance against Catalyst driver in Linux. Yes, the gameplay is different, but I didn't get why people hate it.

FPS to me is a matter of the speed of the gameplay. A card game obviously don't have much happening on the screen, but a race game at 60FPS is a must. A fast paced game like L4D2 or CS:GO, where every millisecond mater, benefits from a 120 Hz monitor, at last to me.

In general I like 60 fps, no matter what type of game I'm playing. Above that only in a very few games, like L4D2.