Stadia gets Elder Scrolls Online on June 16, 1440p in web and more

Quoting: PatolaThey're not expanding to other countries yet?

I fully expect that has been delayed due to Coronavirus. I still expect a few more before the year is up.

Reminder: This is the ultimate DRM racket and any game exclusive to any sort of G.A.S.S service *like* this will be lost forever at some point.

It's very hard for me to use it. Google doesn't seem to care about desktop Linux and they have bought exclusives. The fact they support Linux could be because it wasn't hard to do so and because it's also reliant on users. Is there a single game on Stadia, that can be played locally, that supports Linux? No (?).

Meanwhile our "friend" Valve has supported us (natively and through Proton) and their cloud service is nearing. Let's not forget the DRM and also that ChromeOS is a threat to all Linux OSes that fall under FOSS umbrella. I want Linux to grow (Debian, Ubuntu, Solus, Arch, etc) not ChromeOS, so I will wait for Valve's service and hope it meets my expectations.

More on topic; 1440 isn't what was promised.

I was going to try to play the ranked mode in PUBG but it seems it's only for controllers. A bit disappointing since I can't even seem to get my steam controller to work with Stadia.

IMO this are the types of games that being released native or Stadia only won't change the results. I understand that for games that have offline components Stadia is a big "no way" in our heads but for games that completely depends on the existence of game servers in order to play, Stadia or not this games already have a EOL date from day zero.

Quoting: x_wingIMO this are the types of games that being released native or Stadia only won't change the results. I understand that for games that have offline components Stadia is a big "no way" in our heads but for games that completely depends on the existence of game servers in order to play, Stadia or not this games already have a EOL date from day zero.

So your reasoning is that because online games have EOL, so what is one more?
There is no reason for game like this to die when some manager decides to pull the plug. Dedicated/community servers used to be a sure thing. Just because that practice mostly stopped (not because users did not want it) does not mean it suddenly became okay and something we should accept and it definitely should not be used as an excuse of Stadia model.

Quoting: SolitarySo your reasoning is that because online games have EOL, so what is one more?
There is no reason for game like this to die when some manager decides to pull the plug. Dedicated/community servers used to be a sure thing. Just because that practice mostly stopped (not because users did not want it) does not mean it suddenly became okay and something we should accept and it definitely should not be used as an excuse of Stadia model.

My reasoning goes inline with the way this games are designed. Current Online RPG designs follows the idea of monopolize the community in one place and create the necessary game mechanics in order to force you to play there in order to get the "new" super incredible sword and shield that you can only get if you pay for the current season pass and played 800hs the last six months (or if you payed the 120 USD in order to get it in a direct way). This games are made to die when they aren't profitable anymore for the company behind. Is not about story, is not about gameplay it's just about grinding.

Quoting: LinuxwarperIt's very hard for me to use it. Google doesn't seem to care about desktop Linux and they have bought exclusives. The fact they support Linux could be because it wasn't hard to do so and because it's also reliant on users.

I'd be willing to bet they use Linux for the servers because, first, Linux servers are more efficient, and second, they don't have to worry about licensing (and, third, with open source they can tweak 'em as they need, and fourth Google know all about running Linux servers because they already use them for most of their other stuff for the other three reasons). Savings mount up when you've got huge numbers of servers; it wouldn't have made economic sense to use Windows.
I get the impression Windows licensing is fairly cheap right now, but you never know when they'll try to get more revenue through that channel; what would Google do if MS realize their fond dream of going subscription-based? And MS is Google's competitor; no need to hand them a rug to pull out from under you.
But no, it's not like they give a damn about Linux as used outside of Google, and certainly they don't care a bean for the Linux desktop.

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Quoting: SolitarySo your reasoning is that because online games have EOL, so what is one more?
There is no reason for game like this to die when some manager decides to pull the plug. Dedicated/community servers used to be a sure thing. Just because that practice mostly stopped (not because users did not want it) does not mean it suddenly became okay and something we should accept and it definitely should not be used as an excuse of Stadia model.

My reasoning goes inline with the way this games are designed. Current Online RPG designs follows the idea of monopolize the community in one place and create the necessary game mechanics in order to force you to play there in order to get the "new" super incredible sword and shield that you can only get if you pay for the current season pass and played 800hs the last six months (or if you payed the 120 USD in order to get it in a direct way). This games are made to die when they aren't profitable anymore for the company behind. Is not about story, is not about gameplay it's just about grinding.

The games are not to blame though. You are right that it's not about story, or even the gameplay, it's about the game itself. The fact that those companies treat those games like that only works if you accept it as done deal.

Just for the record, but ESO is running absolutely FLAWLESSLY on WINE or Proton. No Stadia needed to enjoy it! :D

Quoting: GeoGalvanicI can't even seem to get my steam controller to work with Stadia.

ALL kinds of controllers work flawlessly with Stadia, as long as you are launching your Chrome (or Chromium) browser from Steam (just add Chrome/Chromium as a third-party "game" to your Steam library).

I am also using my XBox One controller wirelessly with [xow](https://github.com/medusalix/xow) for playing Stadia games.

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Quoting: LinuxwarperIs there a single game on Stadia, that can be played locally, that supports Linux? No (?).

Grid and Metro: Exodus are likely to get Linux support on the Steam version. Other Games had Linux support before, like the Serious Sam Games or the Tomb Raider Games.

What's amusing here is that there are in the vicinity of about 800000 to 900000 Linux Gamers on Steam, and only about 12000 Stadia users, yet studios/publishers are more willing to throw money at those 12000 than to the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us.

Quoting: LinuxwarperIs there a single game on Stadia, that can be played locally, that supports Linux? No (?).

Well no, you don't play them locally, it's game streaming.

If you mean does it have games, that also have Linux desktop support on other stores, yes it does including: Jotun, Sundered, the SteamWorld series, soon to be Metro Exodus, we've seen hints of GRID coming too. That is entirely besides the point though, it's a different platform, that works on Linux. It's an additional / different way to play. Still, nice it uses Vulkan and Linux though behind the scenes.

Quoting: LinuxwarperMore on topic; 1440 isn't what was promised.

You're right, it wasn't, so it's actually a nice addition. They only originally said 720p, 1080p and 4K. Now they're expanding on from that.

Quoting: rustybroomhandleWhat's amusing here is that there are in the vicinity of about 800000 to 900000 Linux Gamers on Steam, and only about 12000 Stadia users, yet studios/publishers are more willing to throw money at those 12000 than to the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us.

Where did you get that number? Sounds like you're making it up, I know for a fact there's more than 12K people on Stadia. Destiny 2 alone saw over 30K players online at once back in April in it. Not blindly sticking up for it at all, just a note that spreading false info helps no one.

Quoting: Liam DaweWhere did you get that number? Sounds like you're making it up, I know for a fact there's more than 12K people on Stadia. Destiny 2 alone saw over 30K players online at once back in April in it. Not blindly sticking up for it at all, just a note that spreading false info helps no one.

I did a Google search and 11.5k the number that came up. Hmmm, looking again that's a figure from December. Destiny 2 briefly peaked at 36K during a free trial, I see. Well, now with some revised numbers, my point still stands. Publishers are okay supporting this very niche thing, but not our niche thing.

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Quoting: LinuxwarperIs there a single game on Stadia, that can be played locally, that supports Linux? No (?).

Well no, you don't play them locally, it's game streaming.

I believe he was saying there is no duplication--that there are no games on Stadia which could already be played natively the normal way. Not sure if it's true, but I think that's what was being said.

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Quoting: Liam DaweWhere did you get that number? Sounds like you're making it up, I know for a fact there's more than 12K people on Stadia. Destiny 2 alone saw over 30K players online at once back in April in it. Not blindly sticking up for it at all, just a note that spreading false info helps no one.

I did a Google search and 11.5k the number that came up. Hmmm, looking again that's a figure from December. Destiny 2 briefly peaked at 36K during a free trial, I see. Well, now with some revised numbers, my point still stands. Publishers are okay supporting this very niche thing, but not our niche thing.

To be fair, presumably they anticipate growth. They put some weight behind Steam Machines, too, until they fizzled.

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Quoting: Liam DaweWhere did you get that number? Sounds like you're making it up, I know for a fact there's more than 12K people on Stadia. Destiny 2 alone saw over 30K players online at once back in April in it. Not blindly sticking up for it at all, just a note that spreading false info helps no one.

I did a Google search and 11.5k the number that came up. Hmmm, looking again that's a figure from December. Destiny 2 briefly peaked at 36K during a free trial, I see. Well, now with some revised numbers, my point still stands. Publishers are okay supporting this very niche thing, but not our niche thing.

I mentioned this elsewhere, the reason is obvious. Google bankroll it. The same thing Valve should have done originally - throw money around. A name alone is not enough for a platform, developers go for the monies.

Google has a reputation for being horribly unreliable with their services and apps. Why would I dump money into a service that won't likely live more than a couple years before it is put into maintenance mode or mothballed completely. I have more confidence in Microsoft and Amazon (barely) than I do Google. And with Google all their apps and efforts feel like second rate knockoffs of better solutions. There isn't a single Google app or service that offers a better experience than a competitor. They're cheap or "free", but not better.The problem being

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI'd be willing to bet they use Linux for the servers because, first, Linux servers are more efficient, and second, they don't have to worry about licensing (and, third, with open source they can tweak 'em as they need, and fourth Google know all about running Linux servers because they already use them for most of their other stuff for the other three reasons). Savings mount up when you've got huge numbers of servers; it wouldn't have made economic sense to use Windows.
I get the impression Windows licensing is fairly cheap right now, but you never know when they'll try to get more revenue through that channel; what would Google do if MS realize their fond dream of going subscription-based? And MS is Google's competitor; no need to hand them a rug to pull out from under you.
But no, it's not like they give a damn about Linux as used outside of Google, and certainly they don't care a bean for the Linux desktop.

I heard there are like 12,000 users of Stadia? It goes back to point I made. That it wasn't hard for them to support Linux because Google is heavily invested on the platform on server side and know their way around and because it's based on Debian. The second reason being that they will need to cast as wide net as possible to ensure enough players are on the platform, so that it doesn't feel like a wasteland.
To your comments; who doesn't use Linux? Many companies either use Linux or BSD for their products or servers. It's just desktop that they don't care about.

Quoting: SirLootALotGrid and Metro: Exodus are likely to get Linux support on the Steam version. Other Games had Linux support before, like the Serious Sam Games or the Tomb Raider Games.

Quoting: Liam DaweWell no, you don't play them locally, it's game streaming.

If you mean does it have games, that also have Linux desktop support on other stores, yes it does including: Jotun, Sundered, the SteamWorld series, soon to be Metro Exodus, we've seen hints of GRID coming too. That is entirely besides the point though, it's a different platform, that works on Linux. It's an additional / different way to play. Still, nice it uses Vulkan and Linux though behind the scenes.

I was thinking of if there are games on Stadia store that has Linux local play support because of Google i.e Google showing love to Linux by encouraging developers to release their games locally too for Linux. Grid and Metro EXodus are among the two games that has been on Linux already prior to Stadia, so I think the credit of why it will come to Linux goes to developers (Feral and Metro devs). Metro Exodus was released DRM free on GOG recently, so another point for Metro Devs. The fact Stadia uses Vulkan seems to make the process for devs, who have or are already supporting Linux, easier.

EDIT: Wait Stadia doesn't support local play? It's strictly streaming?! I thought it did as a way to break into the market..

Quoting: Liam DaweYou're right, it wasn't, so it's actually a nice addition. They only originally said 720p, 1080p and 4K. Now they're expanding on from that.

I misunderstood. Thought ESO was max supported resolution was only 1440, i.e no 4K. That's pretty good indeed.

Quoting: rustybroomhandleWhat's amusing here is that there are in the vicinity of about 800000 to 900000 Linux Gamers on Steam, and only about 12000 Stadia users, yet studios/publishers are more willing to throw money at those 12000 than to the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us.

Not amusing at all. ESA, Entertainment Software Assosciation, are banded together for a reason. That reason is to support their interests, whether it be microtransaction or whatever. Streaming with Stadia seems like it will give them another edge on consumers freedom. For example, now with Stadia's existence they will have opportunity to ask for money from Nvidia to allow their games on GeForce Now. Another being they can limit third party cheats for their games, which leaves gamers with no choice than pay up for microtransaction to speed up lvling or other things.

And I don't think it's fair. When Steam machines were a thing, many companies jump on board. So it's not like they haven't tried before. Also because Linux marketshare is not sustainable for all game development.

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