Survival game Vintage Story adds 200+ new blocks, lightning, water physics update

Quoting: Linuxer

Quoting: CatKillerIf being on Steam gets you 43% more sales than not being on Steam, then the 30% pays for itself, even ignoring the saving in hosting and bandwidth costs. Everyone's free to make their own decisions of course, but "I'm not putting my game on Steam because I'd like to make more money" isn't a terribly reality-based position for anyone EA-sized and below.

What's this developers email or Twitter? Could somebody just tell him exactly this for crying out loud

Thanks but I am well aware of this - and being made aware of it on a regular basis
It is likely that the game will be on Steam some day, but I currently see no urgency for this.

Quoting: Tyron

Quoting: Linuxer

Quoting: CatKillerIf being on Steam gets you 43% more sales than not being on Steam, then the 30% pays for itself, even ignoring the saving in hosting and bandwidth costs. Everyone's free to make their own decisions of course, but "I'm not putting my game on Steam because I'd like to make more money" isn't a terribly reality-based position for anyone EA-sized and below.

What's this developers email or Twitter? Could somebody just tell him exactly this for crying out loud

Thanks but I am well aware of this - and being made aware of it on a regular basis
It is likely that the game will be on Steam some day, but I currently see no urgency for this.

Good to hear! But to be blunt: we users kinda have a huge urgency for Vintage Story to be available on Steam i mean, what would you lose for putting it out there? Or maybe i'm just a damned simpleton.

Quoting: Linuxer

Quoting: Tyron

Quoting: Linuxer

Quoting: CatKillerIf being on Steam gets you 43% more sales than not being on Steam, then the 30% pays for itself, even ignoring the saving in hosting and bandwidth costs. Everyone's free to make their own decisions of course, but "I'm not putting my game on Steam because I'd like to make more money" isn't a terribly reality-based position for anyone EA-sized and below.

What's this developers email or Twitter? Could somebody just tell him exactly this for crying out loud

Thanks but I am well aware of this - and being made aware of it on a regular basis
It is likely that the game will be on Steam some day, but I currently see no urgency for this.

Good to hear! But to be blunt: we users kinda have a huge urgency for Vintage Story to be available on Steam i mean, what would you lose for putting it out there? Or maybe i'm just a damned simpleton.

Just read the earlier comments. Tyron has made clear several reasons (on their blog/forum - read crse's comment) why it's not a priority. I want it on Steam too, but there are good reasons it's not.

Quoting: scaineJust read the earlier comments. Tyron has made clear several reasons (on their blog/forum - read crse's comment) why it's not a priority. I want it on Steam too, but there are good reasons it's not.

Not really good reasons. They think they'll make more money - see my prior comment - and they believe that they need to charge the same price for sales off Steam as they do for sales on Steam, which isn't at all true if they aren't giving Steam keys for sales off Steam and isn't quite true if they are giving Steam keys. It's their choice, of course, and if they don't feel their game is even at Early Access quality yet that's also their choice.

Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: scaineJust read the earlier comments. Tyron has made clear several reasons (on their blog/forum - read crse's comment) why it's not a priority. I want it on Steam too, but there are good reasons it's not.

Not really good reasons. They think they'll make more money - see my prior comment - and they believe that they need to charge the same price for sales off Steam as they do for sales on Steam, which isn't at all true if they aren't giving Steam keys for sales off Steam and isn't quite true if they are giving Steam keys. It's their choice, of course, and if they don't feel their game is even at Early Access quality yet that's also their choice.

Even if you could debate those particular reasons, the main one I completely agree with is that Steam is an unbelievably harsh audience - critical, demanding, largely uneducated and unbending. And the worst part? They get to review your game publicly, allowing for a sole developer's career to be largely ruined on the basis of, say, a similarity to Minecraft.

If Tyron doesn't have immediate cashflow issues, and actually cares about their reputation as a game developer, then I completely agree with their caution. Despite the fact that I'd really like to play this, but as I say, without Steam multiplayer, I can't see me buying this.

Quoting: scaineEven if you could debate those particular reasons, the main one I completely agree with is that Steam is an unbelievably harsh audience - critical, demanding, largely uneducated and unbending. And the worst part? They get to review your game publicly, allowing for a sole developer's career to be largely ruined on the basis of, say, a similarity to Minecraft.

If Tyron doesn't have immediate cashflow issues, and actually cares about their reputation as a game developer, then I completely agree with their caution. Despite the fact that I'd really like to play this, but as I say, without Steam multiplayer, I can't see me buying this.

I think I've said it three times already, but I'll say it again just to be sure: it's entirely their choice whether they put their game on Steam or not, exactly as it should be. No skin off my nose either way. There are those (including yourself) that will be aware of the game and yet choose not to purchase it unless it's on Steam, but there are far more that will never hear about the game if it's not on Steam.

I wish the best of luck to the devs, and it seems they've created something that people really like, which is great.

Quoting: scaineIf Tyron doesn't have immediate cashflow issues, and actually cares about their reputation as a game developer, then I completely agree with their caution. Despite the fact that I'd really like to play this, but as I say, without Steam multiplayer, I can't see me buying this.

How does Steam handle community servers? I have yet to play a game on Steam where they are a thing. There's no on demand server instances for VS... I guess you could choose to share your single player instances with your friends on Steam and allow them to join through there, but that would be about all the benefits Steam would give you. In the end it would still be like Valheim where you have to tell your friends on which community run server you are playing, giving them the IP/domain like we used to do years ago, and completely bypassing the Steam multiplayer thing.

Quoting: Drakker

Quoting: scaineIf Tyron doesn't have immediate cashflow issues, and actually cares about their reputation as a game developer, then I completely agree with their caution. Despite the fact that I'd really like to play this, but as I say, without Steam multiplayer, I can't see me buying this.

How does Steam handle community servers? I have yet to play a game on Steam where they are a thing. There's no on demand server instances for VS... I guess you could choose to share your single player instances with your friends on Steam and allow them to join through there, but that would be about all the benefits Steam would give you. In the end it would still be like Valheim where you have to tell your friends on which community run server you are playing, giving them the IP/domain like we used to do years ago, and completely bypassing the Steam multiplayer thing.

Well, for something like Don't Starve Together, the "server" is just your own PC. You create the world locally, then use Steam's multiplayer to invite friends to it. I imagine that VS would use the same approach.

The main point here is that I know if my friends are online, what they're laying, and inviting them to play is as simple as right clicking their name and choosing "invite to game". I can message them, voice with them, etc. Maybe VS makes it trivially easy to do something similar for multiplayer - and that's great, because it has the advantage of running on something like GOG too. But I'm less likely to be playing it in the first place, because 99% of my gaming is on Steam.