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Wonder if we'll get any stupid "WhY dOeS iT hAvE tO bE pEoPlE oF cOlOr?" comments, trying to argue false equality "merit" bullshit like the other day. 🙄

@Linux_Rocks While it is a good cause in its own right, I will confess that anti-anti-dei considerations add some extra spice to supporting it.


Last edited by emphy on 21 Aug 2025 at 1:39 pm UTC

would prolly be for the best if evolution or whatever lead us to matrix style eyes. so we would no longer see anyones color. disclaimer: im one of these so called "ppl of color"

@Linuxer Or we could keep seeing all colours but stop being dicks about it (impossible, I know :-/). Would be cool if kids got random colours, maybe I could get a blue one, lol.

A great step toward eliminating racism would be to eliminate the thought of distinguishing people by the color of their skin. By promoting things, for good or bad, based solely on the skin is making a step backward in my humble opinion.

And for the genius like our friend @Linux_Rocks here , look at this if you don't understand what that mean.

https://youtu.be/KRzd7SknVrQ?si=kzXfj5DFLQN-1ZrB&t=27

itch bundles like these always have some form of hidden gem in them and its for a good cause so to speak so ...sold. theres a couple ok looking otome games in there

A great step toward eliminating racism would be to eliminate the thought of distinguishing people by the color of their skin. By promoting things, for good or bad, based solely on the skin is making a step backward in my humble opinion.

Amen to that.

I understand the goal is to combat racism and honestly, who wouldn't be on board with that*.
But events and actions such as these - even if they put a positive spin on it - only cement skin color as a factor of otherness, something to stick out and notice, to look at and gawk, to pity or celebrate. I fully agree that is counterproductive.

Meaning well and doing well are not the same thing.

It is also wholly irrelevant in game development.
Nobody* would avoid buying a game based on the skin color of the dev (who would even check for that in the first place?!).

Now, cultures on the other hand, I get.
African devs, Ukrainian devs, etc. - culture can have a strong influence on the game, so categorizing in that regard makes sense.
But skin color is not a culture. Other than for public social posturing, I really do not see the point.

Also, if I was of color, I'd sure as hell not want my game to sell because someone pitied me for my skin color, or wanted to flaunt their social stance with me - I'd much rather the game sold because people liked the game.

*yes, I know, there's always someone. But that someone is so statistically marginal that it doesn't matter.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 22 Aug 2025 at 9:08 am UTC

A great step toward eliminating racism would be to eliminate the thought of distinguishing people by the color of their skin

That's naive and the world doesn't work like that. Studies have shown that again and again and again.

If you don't promote things like this, at best the status quo keep staying the status quo. At worst, it gets worse, because you're not going to have bigots suddenly go "oh, I'm going to be fair and not promote my bigotry, then!".

Linux_Rocks

Wonder if we'll get any stupid "WhY dOeS iT hAvE tO bE pEoPlE oF cOlOr?" comments, trying to argue false equality "merit" bullshit like the other day. 🙄

TheSHEEEP

Also, if I was of color...

Genuine question from a non-native English speaker. I thought using the term "of colour" was now considered untasteful/not-correct because everyone has a colour?

TheSHEEEP

Now, cultures on the other hand, I get.
African devs, Ukrainian devs, etc.

I guess your "Meaning well and doing well are not the same thing" comes true on your above comment. Putting together "African devs" as one culture seems rather... unfortunate. I'm sure there's no need for me to explain, but I'll give some examples anyway; Algeria, Ethiopia, Madagascar, Equatorial Guinea or South Africa are all countries in Africa with VERY distinct cultures.

@Joseph

exactly. morgan freeman is a great mind and voice. that clip sums it up so well

Genuine question from a non-native English speaker. I thought using the term "of colour" was now considered untasteful/not-correct because everyone has a colour?

Totally possible.
To be blunt, I just stopped caring about people's sensibilities when it comes to "word X bad".
Whatever you say can and will offend someone, always, so you might as well just speak your mind without trying to walk on eggshells all the time - as long as I'm not trying to be a douche on purpose, my conscience is clear.

A stance I can only recommend. If someone still takes offense, so be it. Life's too short to worry about that.

But also, this whole package is called "devs of color", so IDK how many people are really upset about the terminology and how much of it is just online brainrot that can be safely ignored.

Putting together "African devs" as one culture seems rather... unfortunate. I'm sure there's no need for me to explain, but I'll give some examples anyway; Algeria, Ethiopia, Madagascar, Equatorial Guinea or South Africa are all countries in Africa with VERY distinct cultures.

African includes all of the above, regardless of level of distinctiveness - I'd consider that obvious, to be honest. Or do you seriously want people to go into detail with every single statement? That would be... impractical.

If you wanted that, you can also forget about German, Spanish, French, most certainly European, .... because all of those are split into smaller and very distinct ones as well (just ask Catalans how Spanish they feel at times).
Once you start thinking about stuff like "what precise level of distinctiveness is acceptable in this generalization", you might as well not write anything at all <- getting back to the "walking on eggshells" thing.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 22 Aug 2025 at 11:05 am UTC

"People of color" is mainly an USA thing. And serves more to foment distrust between groups than to actually help minorities.

And before you say this is naive, this was the point of MLK.

Racism exists everywhere, but the USA is very peculiar in the way it deals with it.

But I'm curious. Can asians participate on this thing? How about native Americans? Middle estern? Can an Iranian participate?

African includes all of the above, regardless of level of distinctiveness - I'd consider that obvious, to be honest. Or do you seriously want people to go into detail with every single statement? That would be... impractical.

If you wanted that, you can also forget about German, Spanish, French, most certainly European, .... because all of those are split into smaller and very distinct ones as well (just ask Catalans how Spanish they feel at times).
Once you start thinking about stuff like "what precise level of distinctiveness is acceptable in this generalization", you might as well not write anything at all <- getting back to the "walking on eggshells" thing.

Yes, of course, the level of distinctiveness needs to be practical, but also coherent. Roughly, in this topic, we're discussing the ability to treating equally to everyone, so common sense would dictate that when giving an example, like the Ukrainian and African devs before, they ideally should be of equal measure, so our words send the correct message.

Mainly, because we tend to fall short towards the same place. I don't normally see people giving examples and saying; Angolan devs and European devs.

I don't think we can equate the independent Catalan movement, or any other movement in Europe that tries to separate a region from its main state, with the systemic paternalistic, and generalization discourse of Africa, though.

P.S: I'm from Spain, and very close to the independent movements of the different territories in the Spanish state.

Yes, of course, the level of distinctiveness needs to be practical, but also coherent. Roughly, in this topic, we're discussing the ability to treating equally to everyone, so common sense would dictate that when giving an example, like the Ukrainian and African devs before, they ideally should be of equal measure, so our words send the correct message.

I completely disagree with this.
It was just a list of examples and examples do not need to be of equal... well, equal anything really, as long as they still serve as valid examples.

My words got the correct message out, you just started diving in and overanalyzing. You are waaaayyy overthinking this.

This is an online forum, not a dissertation waiting to be submitted as thesis.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 22 Aug 2025 at 12:41 pm UTC