Already started moving things over when github started doing their social justice thing, glad more are to follow now :)

I thought we all already abandoned github in favour of gitlab because gitlab is simply better. :)

Don't know what "social justice thing" nox might be referring to, but I don't really care.

Quoting: tuubiDon't know what "social justice thing" nox might be referring to, but I don't really care.

I think it was in 2015, so my memory is a bit fuzzy about it all. But to what I remember they added guidelines for how to behave, which had some interesting points. Like, repeatedly using the wrong gender for someone would be considered harassment, the word "hug" if directed at someone would also be considered harassment. I also seem to remember that they were deleting some projects with bad words in their title.

That was enough for me to look for alternatives.

Note: I do not want to start a discussion about if it's bad or good, or anything related to it - just wanted to put down what I remember happening.:)

Quoting: nox

Quoting: tuubiDon't know what "social justice thing" nox might be referring to, but I don't really care.

I think it was in 2015, so my memory is a bit fuzzy about it all. But to what I remember they added guidelines for how to behave, which had some interesting points. Like, repeatedly using the wrong gender for someone would be considered harassment, the word "hug" if directed at someone would also be considered harassment. I also seem to remember that they were deleting some projects with bad words in their title.

That was enough for me to look for alternatives.

Note: I do not want to start a discussion about if it's bad or good, or anything related to it - just wanted to put down what I remember happening.:)

Oh god.
I rember when FreeBSD said you can't send "hugs" anymore.
Is every project going completely "politically correct" now ?

Quoting: razing32

Quoting: nox

Quoting: tuubiDon't know what "social justice thing" nox might be referring to, but I don't really care.

I think it was in 2015, so my memory is a bit fuzzy about it all. But to what I remember they added guidelines for how to behave, which had some interesting points. Like, repeatedly using the wrong gender for someone would be considered harassment, the word "hug" if directed at someone would also be considered harassment. I also seem to remember that they were deleting some projects with bad words in their title.

That was enough for me to look for alternatives.

Note: I do not want to start a discussion about if it's bad or good, or anything related to it - just wanted to put down what I remember happening.:)

Oh god.
I rember when FreeBSD said you can't send "hugs" anymore.
Is every project going completely "politically correct" now ?

*hugs*

Quoting: razing32Oh god.
I rember when FreeBSD said you can't send "hugs" anymore.
Is every project going completely "politically correct" now ?

Going, being forced, being coerced, undermined.. any of them describe it yes. Was thinking about this the other day, it started more as a troll but turned into something out of a bastard religion. The methods they use to make these kinds of changes are straight out of Scientology and Muslim sects. That is, they use humiliation, witch hunts and mob justice as coercion. In github's case, one single company is able to decree things like "guidelines" across thousands if not hundreds of thousands of projections affecting millions of people .. with _zero_ oversight. They're able to shame and humiliate those who don't agree either so on one hand I'm glad Github will hopefully die. It's death though will be felt in everything from distros to enterprises with hosted github repos (Intel, IBM, Google, etc).

tl;DR - Yes, and it's asinine.

Quoting: noxAlready started moving things over when github started doing their social justice thing, glad more are to follow now :)

I did once already for the same reason but later migrated back to github to contribute to a project that was on there. Now I have to migrate back all over again.

Quoting: devnullThe methods they use to make these kinds of changes are straight out of Scientology and Muslim sects. That is, they use humiliation, witch hunts and mob justice as coercion.

As if it was a scientologist and/or muslim invention. You're just picking popular groups to blame for human behaviour at its basest. It's so easy to find examples of this in any relatively closed society where some people hold unchecked authority over others. You might recall all the news stories about exactly this happening in certain minor and extremely major christian sects for example.

But this is all off topic.

Quoting: GuestWould be nice if linux users stopped using steam and other valve products like they do with microsoft producs, because steam is not any different from windows, it spies you as well.

edit: another thing is that gitlab collaborates with Google Cloud Service, so using GitLab is bad as well...

Welcome to the .01% of the .1%. Good luck coaxing any gamers, let alone Linux gamers, away from Steam. There are a number of ways Steam can surveil you, only one of which Valve has recently addressed (betrayal of online/offline statuses (low hanging fruit)). I am afraid discussing any of these points would fall on deaf ears, here at GoL.

@edit: With Git hosting, it is not surveillance so much that should worry us, it is the dependency that one accepts from parties with possible mal-intent.

Quoting: GuestThe thing with being linux gamer while using steam is that it doesn't make much difference if u use steam on linux or windows, it is still the same platform.

Oh but it does make a difference! That's like saying if you're going to drive a car, it doesn't matter which lane you're going to drive it on. Or, with less hyperbole, if you're going to run Firefox, if doesn't matter which operating system you run it on. I might not be able to trust all of my software, but I'd rather trust some of it than none.

(In case you're wondering, I'm not defending Valve's business model here. I'm not interested in discussing it either.)

Quoting: GuestIts same with devs now people gonna stop use github because Microsoft acquired them so they gonna start use gitlab that collabs with google, another corporate billionaire company, that does same practises that microsoft, collects and sell all data...

It seems like devs etc. have huge knowledge about coding, but they lack of basics like they gonna go to gitlab (google) from microsoft github and it's gonna make huge difference for them, gosh...

You must have missed the fact that gitlab is open source and can be self-hosted. You don't need to trust them with your data. Along with the fact that the company isn't owned by Google.

Quoting: chancho_zombieI've thinking of this and for now I'm going to stay at github.

Well, if [this is true](https://github.com/upend/IF_MS_BUYS_GITHUB_IMMA_OUT) I would reconsider :)
And, to what I can see it does indeed seem like they removed that repo from the trending list because it's "embarrassing".

The super paranoid will move because of Microsoft. Nothing will change that, especially with the history Microsoft has.

Me? I'm indifferent now, especially considering I'm using VSCode a lot (good grief it caused me so much pain trying to come to terms with it being good but also MS). But I have removed all my personal projects and hosted them on my NAS (a QNAP one) using a Docker image for gitea (which is minimal and quite fast compared to gitlab). It was just something that I'd been meaning to do for a while.

What I would love to see is something like a gogs and/or gitea inspired federation of self-hosted git sites. Kind of hoping this Microsoft fear spurs that on.

As for what MS does with Github? I doubt they will change too much, they have a bad history and they know it - they'll be working overtime to get past that.

Meanwhile though - they'll have unfettered access to competitors source until they move it (yes, even the private repos which I'm fairly sure are accessible internally, they won't be encrypted). And that's good reason to move.

Many quite bizare things about this still. Considering Github was not a public company, with an evaluation like that you have to wonder if they were planning an IPO.

GitHub has at least some of their infrastructure on AWS. I don't imagine their monthly bill is small either. Would be a bit of a hit on Amazon if/when they inevetiably move to azure. Hell the loss of business to fastly and cloudfront(their current cdns), is going to hurt. Appears they've already pulled www.github.com from CF. Wouldn't go anywhere near them atm.

Out of everything else, it's the Linux Foundation backing this that confuses me the most.

I'm not going to remove my user until there are projects I'm interested in still on Github, but I'm not going to host there anything myself. Gitlab is better for that.

Would be interesting if projects used github as a storage backend.. encrypted of course. Could be something simple like encryptfs (files) or blobs. Any passwords would be published on gitlab, point is the data would be unusable to MS.

Quoting: devnullWould be interesting if projects used github as a storage backend.. encrypted of course. Could be something simple like encryptfs (files) or blobs. Any passwords would be published on gitlab, point is the data would be unusable to MS.

I'm pretty certain that Microsoft is _not_ interested in the data/code that lives in the github repositories. My impression is that they are focused to get more (paying) customers for hosting in Azure from the organizations/companies that already host their code in Github by a better integration between Github and Azure services, something that AWS/Google can't offer.

Quoting: jens

Quoting: devnullWould be interesting if projects used github as a storage backend.. encrypted of course. Could be something simple like encryptfs (files) or blobs. Any passwords would be published on gitlab, point is the data would be unusable to MS.

I'm pretty certain that Microsoft is _not_ interested in the data/code that lives in the github repositories. My impression is that they are focused to get more (paying) customers for hosting in Azure from the organizations/companies that already host their code in Github by a better integration between Github and Azure services, something that AWS/Google can't offer.

Without the data, github is nothing. By getting direct access Microsoft will, as is the case with everything they touch, be in a rather awkward position of knowning exactly who to target and what their usecase is.
ANY corporate / private organization should be pulling their data asap.

To futher understand why that is creepy you have to understand Microsoft's overall analytics position. Through their licensing "audits" (more like shakedowns), they already know what hardware you run and to a large degree what your internal structure is like. They ALREADY use that data to target specific employees / groups. Now they add access to your code and it becomes very easy to build a walled garden around you.

This is the shit they engage in with Enterprises (Government is included in that). By the time you realize how far they have you by the balls it's entirely too late.

Without any proof I doubt that your theory, that all content of (private) github repositories will soon be used by Microsoft at large scale to target companies for license deals etc., reflects reality. Azure cloud is their future, the desktop and private infrastructure market is becoming less relevant.

Github seems the same as it ever was actually. I did worry a bit when it was first bought.

Don't worry, give it time, Microsoft will figure out a way to mess it up.