Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: robvvI think it's fair to say that the ME port has been quietly dropped.

It has not last we spoke to them.

Good to hear. Still kind of pissed about Serious Sam 4 though. Seems whomever was the big Linux fan at Croteam left or something.

Quoting: slaapliedjeStill kind of pissed about Serious Sam 4 though. Seems whomever was the big Linux fan at Croteam left or something.

That was Alen Ladavac.

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: robvvI think it's fair to say that the ME port has been quietly dropped.

It has not last we spoke to them.

Steam depot hasn't been updated since 18th July. GoL last published something about the port on 28th February.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong, but I don't think it's coming and even if it does: most people will have played it on Proton by then. Then there'll be the claim of low Linux sales...

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: robvv

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: robvvI think it's fair to say that the ME port has been quietly dropped.

It has not last we spoke to them.

Steam depot hasn't been updated since 18th July. GoL last published something about the port on 28th February.

I'd be happy to be proved wrong, but I don't think it's coming and even if it does: most people will have played it on Proton by then. Then there'll be the claim of low Linux sales...

I'm still waiting with the purchase for Metro, same with Wasteland 3, but i don't expect either to come out at this point.

Same on both. Maybe if companies are told they are losing sales because they promised Linux versions but never released.... but then that could backfire and we just won't hear them promise anymore. I think the best thing to do is respectfully ask if a game is getting a Linux release and perhaps a when, but don't demand it, more just a friendly 'I would buy this right now if you supported Linux.' Comment. It is a shame I couldn't bring myself to buy Serious Sam 4 for the same reason.

Quoting: slaapliedjeMaybe if companies are told they are losing sales because they promised Linux versions but never released....

Oh, be realistic! They are not losing any sales at all. Everyone interested has purchased a Windows copy and is happily playing with Proton™ right now. :whistle:
Want a proof? Even this thread in the "Native Linux Gaming" sub-forum has been derailed by someone into "Proton™ support".

Last edited by Alm888 on 20 Nov 2020 at 7:35 am UTC

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: slaapliedjeMaybe if companies are told they are losing sales because they promised Linux versions but never released....

Oh, be realistic! They are not losing any sales at all. Everyone interested has purchased a Windows copy and is happily playing with Proton™ right now. :whistle:
Want a proof? Even this thread in the "Native Linux Gaming" sub-forum has been derailed by someone into "Proton™ support".

They have literally lost sales based on my own decisions, sure maybe that's one, but I can't be the only one who has made a decision not to buy a game based on if it has a native Linux release.
Edit: is Proton trademarked, or are you just being a turd? :P

Last edited by slaapliedje on 20 Nov 2020 at 7:00 pm UTC

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: slaapliedjeMaybe if companies are told they are losing sales because they promised Linux versions but never released....

Oh, be realistic! They are not losing any sales at all. Everyone interested has purchased a Windows copy and is happily playing with Proton™ right now. :whistle:
Want a proof? Even this thread in the "Native Linux Gaming" sub-forum has been derailed by someone into "Proton™ support".

Question for the Proton haters: Do you also hate engine recreations? How are they any different? Proton/Wine uses library translations to get software to run, an engine recreation (let's use OpenMW as an example), it runs native, but you still need to purchase a Windows game to play it. But you never hear people bitch and moan about all the open source engines that still require a Windows purchase.

Quoting: slaapliedjeQuestion for the Proton haters: Do you also hate engine recreations? How are they any different? Proton/Wine uses library translations to get software to run, an engine recreation (let's use OpenMW as an example), it runs native, but you still need to purchase a Windows game to play it. But you never hear people bitch and moan about all the open source engines that still require a Windows purchase.

Well, we all have the original CDs of course... ahem...

More seriously, I think Proton is great but I would prefer native as this obliges the devs to support the games. Of course there are some devs who actively support using their game with Proton, which is also fine with me.

With regard to "Proton-haters", I cannot get into that mindset at all. These are usually the same people who applaud GOG for their (minimal) efforts and then complain about the lack of Galaxy integration and late game updates / releases compared with Steam.

Quoting: slaapliedje…I can't be the only one who has made a decision not to buy a game based on if it has a native Linux release.

No, you are not the only one (I am being the second :P ). But you have to grasp the reality: NTNB folk is the minority now and some "Linux gaming" proponents are even having the audacity to call us "zealots" and traitors of the "Linux Gaming Cause" (I am mostly referring to [this guy](https://boilingsteam.com/the-downslide-of-no-tux-no-bux/) ).
Come to [this Reddit subforum](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/) and see for yourself how it turned into "Gaming With Proton" (mostly).

Quoting: slaapliedjeEdit: is Proton trademarked, or are you just being a turd? :P

One does not contradict with the other :) That being said, I believe it is: any sane company will trademark everything it can if not out of malice, than just to prevent squatters from snatching a brand and demanding a ransom. Even the Linux™ itself and its logo are trademarked.

Quoting: slaapliedjeQuestion for the Proton haters: Do you also hate engine recreations?

Please, try not to derail the thread. :wink: But I'll bite (even if I'm not a true Proton-hater bacause I have nothing against its core component -- WINE™ -- as it allows me to enjoy a lot of Windows™ games like "Iji" or "Peret em Heru: For the Prisoners").

Personally I find "engine recreations" (like OpenRA, OpenMV and the likes) to be a waste of time. They are a products of grown-up kids (now programmers) having a "duckling syndrome" and trying to reanimate games of their childhood. Two problems here (IMO): 1) these games are water under the bridge -- they have value only to said programmers due to their fond memories, but will not make Linux a viable gaming platform to new generations; and 2) this illustrates that Linux ecosystem might have a lot of skilled programmers, but it sorely lacks creative game designers -- the upper limit a programmer (on her/his own) can do is replicating, not creating something new.

I find creating open source game engines like Godot to be a far more viable task. Easy to use and robust general purpose game engines will bring in game designers, artists, writers and other content creators our ecosystem lacks.

jeez
the basic value of "recreations" is the ability to play great old games, not them being open or free. some of them aren't BTW (but those mostly come in the form of updated binaries from someone with the access to the source, rather than a full recreation since its not needed in this case)

PS Hey, Liam stop playing a snowflake and add a proper +/- instead of the stupid 🖤
PPS and yeah it's still no Linux no buy. Not making a fuzz of it, no fits or anything. Just not interested. It's 2020 FFS. *nix is virtually everywhere, die windust DIEEEE!11

Last edited by mos on 20 Nov 2020 at 9:03 pm UTC

Quoting: mosPS Hey, Liam stop playing a snowflake and add a proper +/- instead of the stupid 🖤

No.

Any recent noises re subj? Or have those back in Feb been the last?

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: mosPS Hey, Liam stop playing a snowflake and add a proper +/- instead of the stupid 🖤

No.

Ha, yeah I don't see a need for a +/-, but occasionally it's easier to just make a laugh at a post rather than just a like.

Or a thanks. I like how AtariAge is set up. But not saying you should go through all the effort to set that up.

Quoting: mosjeez
the basic value of "recreations" is the ability to play great old games, not them being open or free. some of them aren't BTW (but those mostly come in the form of updated binaries from someone with the access to the source, rather than a full recreation since its not needed in this case)

PS Hey, Liam stop playing a snowflake and add a proper +/- instead of the stupid 🖤
PPS and yeah it's still no Linux no buy. Not making a fuzz of it, no fits or anything. Just not interested. It's 2020 FFS. *nix is virtually everywhere, die windust DIEEEE!11

For me, the engine recreations are great because they generally include enhancements, or even the ability to play older games on original platforms they were not originally released for. Take ScummVM for example. I can fire it up on the Amiga and play VGA enhanced versions that only came out for DOS! Or of course Doom, which has been ported to just about everything at this point.

Good news to share: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2020/11/metro-exodus-is-still-planned-to-release-for-linux-and-macos