Quoting: DrakkerWow, weapons will randomly jam. What a nice feature, I always wanted to get killed in a game because my weapon jammed, sounds like so much fun! (Not.)

I know that Synthetik: Legion Rising also has a Weapon Jam mechanic [External Link]. In this rogue-like game with perma-death, it adds a bit of stress, to spice things up ;)

You might as well compare it to a "silenced", "staggered", or "blinded" mechanic from other game: not being able to shoot for a short time may keep you on your toes and look for alternatives (i.e. cover / hideout) in case things go wrong, instead of just plain run & gun. It depends on how the mechanic is implemented and how often it triggers :wink:

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Quoting: furaxhornyxWhich usually end up on some obscure command line (so modern... :whistle:)

Speaking as someone who generally avoids the command line, when it comes to troubleshooting I prefer it. It's a lot easier to follow instructions to do command line stuff than to do GUI stuff, and it tends to be a lot less subject to change between versions. And it's more powerful for that kind of thing. So to me, the Windows tendency for troubleshooting instructions to be based on doing some weird tucked away GUI thing is a weakness rather than a strength.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one :wink: (I could develop more, but I feel like it's not the right place to do so)

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Same here, just finished the demo. It was quite a nice experience, I'll add it to wishlist for now :smile:

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Quoting: Avehicle7887Got back to dying in Dead Cells, it has been a while since last I played it and there's been huge amount of content since then.

When I am done with unlocking everything back in Wizard of Legend, I will probably go back to Dead Cells and discover the last few DLC contents (or die trying :whistle:). I only made 1 playthrough since The Bad Seed, so there's probably a lot more to discover now.

Edit: just finished the demo of Domino House , and you should probably give it a try if you haven't done so yet :wink:

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Quoting: GuestAn example? Sure, every non-windows program, including the drivers. All the stuff that used to come on CDs. Then the stuff to overclock your hardware, the countless programs to clean windows, antivirus or browsers. (though i guess people just use edge and windows defender now) I don't understand how it's less fragmented than what we have.

Yet your initial statement was that were no fragmentation (emphasis mine):

Quoting: GuestThere is no fragmentation. On Windows every program every secon pwrusr g4m3r uses is a third party program that offers next to no integration to the supposedly "non-fragmented" desktop/toolchain.

The difference being, a program for Windows targets a version, not a flavour. Which means that it will work, no matter if you are running Windows <insert version here> Home / Pro / Business. On Linux, packages exists for some distributions only (if any), and after then it is up to the user to sort things to make it work.

Quoting: GuestYou are not forced to run a kde/gnome/xfce/openbox frankendesktop, you can just as well run one of them and pretend the others don't exist, same as on windows.

I have seen plenty of threads on forums where someone asked how to do this and that, and usually, the first answer was along the lines of : "which DE are you using ?" or "I don't know for <insert DE #1>, but on <insert DE #2>, do [...]"
Which usually end up on some obscure command line (so modern... :whistle:) which may also target a certain distro (aka "sudo apt-get [..]" which is royally ignored on Manjaro and stuff...)

Quoting: GuestFor games all of this stuff is largely unimportant, since they will only use a handful of libs like sdl to interact with your window manager/DE of choice. and any version mismatch can be bridged by the way steam and gog handle these things. It won't eliminate all possible errors under the sun but that's avoided by the existing approach to pick one officially supported distro for a game.

This is exactly the point: developers end up resorting to targeting one (or a few) distro, and it's up to the users to check how to install missing stuff on their specific distro (aka "not out-of-the-box experience"). They cannot simply target, say, Linux 5.4 (or whatever is the latest stable kernel version) like they target Windows 10. Also, package names tend to change between distros, so the user has to double-check the package name in his distro.

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Quoting: brokeassbenI'm having frequent complete system freezes that require a hard reset and nothing I've tried so far is helping. Different drives, entirely different distros, updated the BIOS, tested RAM, and still freezing. Sooo damn frustrating.

Power supply is the next item on your checklist.

In addition to CatKiller suggestion, you may also want to try setting a fixed voltage for your CPU, closest to the "auto" setting. I remember having to do that on "cheap" motherboard, and setting a fixed value solved the problems for me. Might be worth a try. Also, check the CPU temperature, in these hot days ; you may want to try underclocking the CPU a little, and see if it improves stability.

As for me, this week I tried again to make a Windows VM work for music making. After a lot of trouble installing all Windows 7 updates from all those years, I found out that my motherboard makes it difficult to passthrough my USB audio card. So, I may end up buying a dedicated PCI USB controller to make it easier. In any case, I am making a lot of notes on what to look for for my future PC upgrade :smile:

So, I gave up for now and I (finally) went back to Wizard of Legend [External Link]. I had not play for a long time, so it was nice to see all the new stuff (and boss !) they added to the game. What was less nice it that my saved game was wiped, so, time to unlock everything one more time I guess :whistle:

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: furaxhornyx

Quoting: GuestAs for support, all is really needed is that they figure out a base set of (external) libraries they want/need to support. And steam/gog provides them that already, so even them targeting ancient library versions are not a problem anymore.

To my mind every single dev/publisher that figured out that steam can ship their version of libraries and that it is enough to support one distribution to satisfy 99% of linux gamers has done a good enough job. This has nothing to do with how many desktop environments and how many "linux" distro flavours are out there.

99% seems a bit optimistic, if we look at the GOL statistics (assuming of course that those statistics are representative)

Not the point being made. He's not saying nobody uses other distros. He's saying that by and large those other distros, if their users are likely to have the faintest interest in gaming, will ensure that the Steam approach will work on their distro. So game developers code to Steam's de facto standard of what libraries to use and such, distros make sure that works, 99% of Linux gamers find games work. Thus, functionally not fragmentation.
Note that I don't know if this is true, I'm just trying to make sure you're not talking past each other.

Thank you for the clarification ; English is not my native langage, so I read it like "[...]it is enough to support one distribution to satisfy 99% of linux gamers"

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Quoting: randylThe one thing I hope comes out of this summit is a better way forward for application development. Our diversity is one of our greatest strengths and weaknesses (due to fragmentation). I feel like we're often so worried about courting Windows and Mac users and making our software available to their platforms that we've neglected the deep fragmentation in our own.

There is no fragmentation. On Windows every program every secon pwrusr g4m3r uses is a third party program that offers next to no integration to the supposedly "non-fragmented" desktop/toolchain.

Could you give an example of such third-party program ?

Quoting: GuestAs for support, all is really needed is that they figure out a base set of (external) libraries they want/need to support. And steam/gog provides them that already, so even them targeting ancient library versions are not a problem anymore.

To my mind every single dev/publisher that figured out that steam can ship their version of libraries and that it is enough to support one distribution to satisfy 99% of linux gamers has done a good enough job. This has nothing to do with how many desktop environments and how many "linux" distro flavours are out there.

99% seems a bit optimistic, if we look at the GOL statistics (assuming of course that those statistics are representative)

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Quoting: grigiNo, the "fragmentation" isn't a bad thing. Think of it in terms of innovations, if only one thing is allowed, will we ever actually get progress?

In terms of innovation, yes, but no so much in terms of development (I quote below a good illustration):

Quoting: randylWhen we ask a game studio to support "Linux" and provide us a native "port", what exactly are we asking? What are they supposed to target and support? Do we expect them to support all our various packaging systems?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeIn my mind we should be asking 'please support this game on Linux via Steam or GOG or itch.io.' not "please make debian packages."

But wouldn't targeting a "store" end up for example like what we see with Epic Game Store getting exclusives ?

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I have started a third run on Punch Club [External Link] :whistle:

I also played a bit of Left 4 Dead 2 [External Link] with a friend. We both haven't played this game since a looong time (my resolution was still set to match my old 4:3 monitor, which is now my secondary monitor :tongue:), so the first minutes were just us running headlessly everywhere... But it was fun !

I haven't bought Carrion [External Link] yet, because I had mixed feelings with the demo...

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