Quoting: mr-eggthere must be some sort of obvious driver bottleneck here on AMD. The fact that it catches up at ultra and that overall the performance is holding quite well.

fAilMD again. Keep hearing about the opensource drivers catching up to catalyst, then we remember catalyst is a lot slower than it should be. How are AMD going to manage to get all existing openGL games ( 1400 ) upto scratch and ready for SteamOS ? Vulcan may help new titles but Vulcan is only going to be supported on the latest cards and that leaves all 1400 ( maybe near 2000 ) by the time they get the performance right, games in a weak or broken position.

honestly, Valve should of made SteamOS exactly as they have done now, but with a fixed performance baseline using a 780Ti/980Ti and allowed for AMD as a option just because its possible. Then each year support better and faster Nvidia cards.

Which is sort of happening but they should just come out and state it as a target. It might at the very least get AMD to wake up.

Again, AMDGPU is the next-gen AMD driver (FLOSS and BLOB) in Kernel 4.2.x.

If you don't have a rolling realese from your Distribution, you must update self the Kernel or you don't benefit from it.

You all cry about AMD driver is bad, etc. Yes they are bad but AMD work hand in hand with the FLOSS driver FOR AMD Cards Dev's to make a better BLOB driver from the scratch.

The kernel modules AMDGPU will be the nerve center from the new FLOSS and BLOB driver for AMD GPU's.

For the FLOSS driver brings MESA the openGL stuff and for the BLOB driver, the BLOB but not only the openGL stuff. The BLOB brings the reclocking stuff, too. The FLOSS should don't have the reclocking stuff.

And than comes Vulkan, not Vulcan.

Yes the new BlOB drivers from AMD and NVIDIA have both: openGL and Vulkan.

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Limited lives is for me a no-go. So i don't buy this game.

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Quoting: manus76...
RE Native/wrapper: this debate is irrelevant, people want to play their games, and many want to give steamos/linux a try. I'm pretty sure that around November they will be checking if their games run on the platform rather than engage in ideological discussions about advantages of one porting technique over another.

No i think not so. Ok the most gamers want play, but if i accept a wrapper tech aka eON and pay for it than i must live with the risks to have all the same bugs, that have eON currently, in many games thats use eON.

Ok in a native port i can get bugs, too. But if the porting house a good house, they find the bugs and fix it, because they use the native linux libs.

But native ports don't must be good ports.

Best exemple for non good ports are Killing floor and Red Orchstra Ostfront. In both games i have a 360° bug with the weapons.

Good ports:

Tropico 5 (native, in house)
Civ V (native, Aspyr)
All Valve titles (native, in house)
All Metro titles (native, in house
Serious Sam 3 BFE (native, in house?!?)
Doom III (and all ports from ID) (native, in house)
All ports by RuneSoft (native, RuneSoft)
Deadfall Adventures (native, in house?!?)
SoM (native, Feral) this port runs great, got a fast fix for AMD Athlon II/Phenom II CPU's, fix for the european keyboardlayout should come this week

Bad ports:

The Witcher 2 ( eON, VP) maybe runs now great, but how long is the port on the marked?
BioShock Infinite (eON, VP) maybe runs now acceptable, but how long is the port on the marked?
Killing Floor (native?!?, in house?!?)
Red Orchestra Ostfront (native?!?, in house?!?)

If i have foget some ports, than i have it in my Lib, but don't play it yet.
All games offer Day One Linux support are be ruled out by the ports, because they are not ports.

If i wan't play a game it should works out of the box, but on Windows we see the same problems.
So it's not only a Linux or Mac problem with good or bad ports.

But Windows ports are all Native ports.

Wine:

If i use wine, maybe the games works or in a next version the game don't works.
With wine it is thus a gamble on a game works or not.

So if i talk about native ports, than i don't have windows files in my game folders.

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Quoting: Guest...

Just to clarify: the issues with AMD cards are not the fault of the drivers. For whatever reason (time, experience of people involved, etc), Shadow of Mordor is just a shitty port. Like it or not, it is the fault of Feral.

And again, it's the AMD Blob driver, why FERAL don't support AMD and not SoM or the AMD hardware.
And SoM was a great port with great support and fast bugfixes.
I hope you know for what a driver is there and what he does exactly. And now why is the AMD driver behind the Nividia driver?

When a driver of a producer not that does what he should do, I would not support this manufacturer and is currently in the AMD drivers but the case. This driver does not specify what it should and this reports on forums a lot of AMD cardholders.

Ok AMD works on his new driver model AMDGPU, maybe the performace on AMD cards and linux changed with new AMDGPU driver in the Kernel 4.2.

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Ok, so in your mind, Feral shouldn't have ported Shadow of Mordor then, with all its issues with AMD?

Thats not a fault from Feral, it is the AMD driver.

And Feral is fast in bugfixing, because they use NATIVE linux libs.
The eON wrapper must wrapp all directX stuff to the linux libs.

So now the game self have bugs, so VP can't fix the bugs.
If have eON and the game bugs VP can`t fix it , too.
Because they dont know where to look.

On a NATIVE Port, the porting Devs can fix all bugs.

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Quoting: aristoriasit is really sad to see the linux world completely focus on nvidia/intel.
We already have an intel monopoly and the same will happen with nvidia.
Everybody has some kind of responsibility, especially reporters - free or not.
Why? Free enterprise! Just saying ...

http://on-demand.gputechconf.com/siggraph/2015/video/SIG501-Piers-Daniell.html [External Link]

^If AMD showed this kind of dedication to their Linux drivers, then the Linux world would focus of them better.le.

You mean dedication, like say, jump starting the entire Vulkan initiative? Obviously you haven't heard about Mantle, and what AMD have done with that.

"Obviously" you didn't read my post correctly nor did you watch the video. What does Mantle being related to Vulkan or even the creation of Mantle have to do with their dedication to linux?

At the kernel 4.2 you get a brandnew AMD driver. This modules called AMDGPU.
AMDGPU was used from the blob and the OSS drivers.

The only difference are the openGL and reclocking (i think) stuff.

AMD makes more at the FLOSS drivers as Nvidia does and remember: the FLOSS drivers are not from AMD and Nvidia. AMD help and workds now at the FLOSS drivers. Did Nvidia the same?

The next goal was thats AMD has given his Mantel API to the Kronos Group for Vulkan.

What did Nvidia? Ok i can get now Cuda and VPAU, but thats all.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeI know this is going off topic for a game release, but figured I'd join in with the 'wtf, AMD?' I'm not really a big fan of either platform, my last build was AMD/nVidia because I use Linux 99% of the time, with the occasional boot into Windows for some games. But the AMD CPU/Chipsets have always been problematic for me, and this will be my last one, I'm done after the bull crap of last night. Not to mention having to do kernel arguments to work around some firmware bugs for IOMMU support, and my Roccat Tyon mouse causes boot loops if I don't unplug it before the kernel loads (it gives 'smpboot: do_boot_cpu failed (-1) to wakeup CPU#1-CPU#8), and then USB devices in general are more flaky than they should be, and my SSD drives have had weird random lockups, and then the BIOS decides to redefine which boot order they're in...

So yeah I'm done and will be upgrading as soon as I can get a i7-6700k CPU (some asshole is trying to sell one for 5200 USD on Amazon, http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Boxed-I7-6700K-Processor-BX80662I76700K/dp/B012M8LXQW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439832631&sr=8-2&keywords=i7-6700k [External Link] )

Sorry, back on topic. DiRT Showdown looks pretty cool, I've had it for a long time, but haven't ever played it (because you know, rebooting into windows, blech). I'll give it a try with my Logitech G27 and let everyone know how it goes.

I don't have your problems and i use since 2004 AMD (CPU) and Nvidia (GPU and Chipset), but change my system 2013 to 64bit AMD CPU (AMD Phenom II X4 960T), Mainboard ASUS M5A88-V Evo, and Nvidia as GPU and all works fine.

Yes i only use opensuse: SuSE 7.2, 7.3, opensuse 9.1 -> 13.1. And this year i switch to opensuse Tumbleweed.
I used in every opensue the latest kernels.

Ok i musst remove for SoM my core unlocking (Kernel panics), but my OC is not a problem.

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Quoting: JSVRamirezMy EnhancedSteam puts a banner on the game's page saying;
"Warning: This title uses 3rd party DRM"

Can anyone give some more detail about this?

It mean Steam i think.

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Yes it's a very fast game, but the graphics look damn good.
I play it often times. when I feel like it.

Don't forget it's an Alpha Realese and on some Maps have Placeholder textures.
For a good grafic you shoud set the graficsettings to the maximun.

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Quoting: jochenh@Liam, could you please review the NVIDIA video on Sunday. There are great news here:
- NVIDIA will support vulkan on Linux
- Driver support will be starting from GTX 400
- Driver will be mixed with OpenGl, so both can be used at the same time
- Driver support will be Day1 on Linux starting with the release of Vulkan Specs

Great News :) Thx for sharing.

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