Quoting: KeyBounce... My big question after this, that I'm not certain of: Am I correct in thinking that just like snaps auto-update, App images do not (unless you add another package), and flat paks ... ???

I think this is the most up-to-date video on the differences [External Link]. The long story short is that snaps generally auto-updates (but they're working on making that not mandatory anymore I think), flatpak integrates well with GUI auto-updater but by default it doesn't auto-update (though it's easy to just have `flatpak upgrade -y` in crontab or systemd service to do so), and for AppImages you need a manager app like Gear Lever. I'd personally recommend Bauh [External Link] which can install and manage all of Flatpak, Snaps, AppImage, and native packages (including AUR on Arch) altogether, though.

For Steam Flatpak, the main reading material would be this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2615011323 [External Link]. For GUI apps, Flatpak is the generally favored solution as it integrates better with Portals and stuff, so permissions are generally more correct and can be more tweakable with Flatpak. Snaps is a more of "either it works correctly, or there's nothing you can do about it." Also, apps like Bottles generally favors and only tests for Flatpak.

For general documentation, I've found that https://itsfoss.com/ [External Link], https://www.debugpoint.com/ [External Link], and https://www.linuxuprising.com/ [External Link] (as well as OMG Ubuntu if you're on *buntu I guess) are good for discovering news and new stuff, along with The Linux Experiment [External Link], Brodie Robertson [External Link], and This Week In Linux [External Link] for videos. Of course, if you want something more specific, you'd usually go to Arch Wiki [External Link], with a side helping of maybe Gentoo Wiki, system76 documentation, and your own distro's documentation (although it's the fastest to just hop on to Discord).

Lastly, as a backup, there's always Distrobox [External Link] or Conty [External Link] that'd allow you access to AUR and stuff. And once you're more experienced (I'd say, if you're comfortable with manually installing AUR stuff instead of using a helper), you can hop on the Nix train [External Link] and use Fleek [External Link] to get started with Nix + Home-Manager [External Link] which is very powerful (you can even manage Flatpak with it).

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Looking good for next year! Looks like we really will get Wine Wayland in 9.xx Staging and 10.0 Stable.

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That's nice. While they only added it by accident before, I guess Steam Deck and Linux are starting to matter more that they don't mind fixing it when they realised people care.

I think if we continue to speak up, we can get the more stubborn ones to eventually concede as well, hopefully.

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Also, I guess Valve knows a lot of people use the Deck for JRPG and VNs if they keep bothering to mention them in release notes

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Quoting: jo3fisIt will be an absolute shitshow for a long while I mean how many years have they been trying to implement Wayland lol.

In reality, I would say that most of the push for Wayland has only really come in the past three years, between the wider defaulting to Wayland and leading to more groups actually contributing for Wayland and Wayland-adjacent development - such as Valve with Gamescope and KDE, as well as overall much more activity in the Portal and Pipewire, as well as things like xwaylandvideobridge, color management, and input-module.

Wayland itself is fine, it's the Wayland-adjacent protocol and applications that needs to catch up now.

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Quoting: enigmaxg2Since the vast majority of GPUs out there are Nvidia, and it's known how bad they play with Wayland, I see this as a risky move.

I have heard from actual Nvidia users that, with the last few drivers, it's actually been pretty good or at least fine enough.

As someone who've been using KDE Wayland for the past year or so, I can say that for the most part it's ready for most users. It's just waiting for some application devs to switch over to the new method, and with KDE on Deck representing a massive userbase, I think this would be something that tips over those devs into putting in the work. Here's hoping that Valve will finally focus on Steam on Wayland - still waiting for Remote Play Together to work well, which it should be able to, given how I've been using KDE Connect to control my PC for a while now.

It looks like 2024 will be the Year of Get Wayland Done.

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Done upgrading both of my Universal Blue devices to a Fedora 39-based images (ublue-os Kinoite on my laptop, Bazzite on my PC). Seems fine, doesn't look like there's any big issue. Only issue I had was some packages getting their names changed, requiring me to look up the new names to put in my recipe.yml files.

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Quoting: PyreticHow well does it work on the Steam Deck? I know that you can't use it in Gaming Mode but I do still want to know.

It should work fine? I recall there IS a way to run a game, and still have a browser running in the background, in game mode. Theoretically, you just need to do the same with OBS, and hit record/stream before switching back to the game (or bind record/stream to a button combination, if that works).

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Protocol associations exported to the Unix desktop.

That seems... big. This should be for stuff like Spotify and Steam URL, right?

Huh, this might finally make DMM Games work since they use custom uri/protocol for launching games.

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Still waiting for the other repos that I have baked in for convenience (like TeamViewer and Wine) to have a 39 version, but I'm looking to rebase my ublue-os bazzite and kinoite image to 39 next month. For now, I'm pinning to 38, waiting for everything to be worked out, but I'm looking forward to the switch.

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