Quoting: Geppeto35I tried some stuffs with usb key. Didn't know that non-free installer exists! :D

Debian took quite some effort to remove non-free stuff from their "main" distribution (and AFAIR also from the kernel - didn't find sources?). As they know that many people do need non-free drivers, it's in the "non-free" section. And as some drivers are needed for installation, there are "non-free" install mediums as well.

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Quoting: GuestThe video game market is broken as shit. You have publishers gouging money from gamers everywhere you turn, so people turn to other sources in order to buy games for less. Its been happening for decades. Remember when copied games were sold in the market for a fraction of the retail price?

(Not talking lootboxes and nonsense into account here..)
In my humble opionion, most games are way too cheap.
In the 90ies, a game usually costed 100 german marks.
With inflation, this translated to 83 euros / 93 dollars.
Back then a game was made by, dunno, a handful or two of people?
Nowadays, even productions by hundreds of people cannot ask for 90 dollars.
And productions by a handful of people are often condemned if they take more than 20 dollars...

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Quoting: Geppeto35Yes, it worked. I can see and use the desktop. But no lan/internet and ultra low resolution that I can't change. Anyway, ubuntu works on it by day-one, but I would have preferred to use debian 4 ethic and personal convictions ^^

It would be hard to fix without network. :)

Did you use a "non-free" installer? It should solve most hardware usage problems.

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Quoting: GuestG2A (and other grey market sites) are not the problem, they are a symptom.

A symptom of what?

The problem of bundles?
The problem of the possibility to resell keys?

The problem of people being greedy?

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Quoting: Geppeto35no, I think that the kernel doesn't support this new (well..hummm not so but seems anyway) material, according to the returns from some forum replies I had.
They advised me to try newer kernel and install them by myself, but I failed (well it worked, but many other programs were down after)

I'm still unsure. :)

Do you get a running system?
(Then I might be able to help you.)

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Quoting: Geppeto35Problem: I always quit the debian install for another distro 'cause those kernels coming from ages! How to get bugs and materials working with such delay on kernel! I'm pretty sure solutions exist to get those materials working (last example: a small Pc based on intel https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/128990/intel-pentium-silver-n5000-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-70-ghz.html [External Link] -> no way to make it working -network and intel gpu-)

I'm not sure if I understand the problem. Is the installer failing due to not supporting the hardware because it's too old? Or does installing work and you would like newer drivers in the running system?

If you've got hardware needing non-FLOSS drivers, there's a "non-free" installer for that.

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Looks like it'll be an AMD CPU for the first time since... Athlon? this year (and an Nvidia GPU)! :)

Anybody got an idea if 8 cores will be way more future-proof than six cores?
Is/will gaming be making use of them?

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Quoting: MadVillainI see. Guess I will try it later again. Thank you.

I don't want to persuade anybody to use Debian.
But I feel it is less hard and less outdated than people think.

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Quoting: MadVillainThe latest drivers I found for Debian is 390.48 [External Link].

This is the best place to look:
https://packages.debian.org/de/experimental/nvidia-driver [External Link]
You can click through the releases on the upper right, but if you want the latest, "experimental" is fine.

Quoting: MadVillainAlso, they are way harder to install than on LM. On LM I just add PPA and install them via driver manager, but on Debian I have to install everything manually and often it goes wrong.

In Debian, you're also adding the repository to the sources (once in a lifetime), and then you're doing
sudo apt-get -t experimental[or whatever Debian suite you want to use at the moment] install nvidia-driver
That's it.

Quoting: MadVillainAfter installing drivers I had a problem with Steam not launching because of some missing libraries (seems to be driver-related) and of course I had to manually install those too.

When you have it setup once correctly, the above command and a reboot is all you need.

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Quoting: MadVillainLately I tried to switch from LM to LMDE and I switched back the next day, because pretty much nothing worked.
It was a pain in the ass to even launch Steam and none of the games worked.

I can't comment about LMDE, but installing and running steam and Nvidia drivers on Debian is some simple commands:
https://ein-eike.de/2016/08/28/how-to-install-steam-and-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-jessie/ [External Link]

Quoting: MadVillainAlso, the latest Nvidia drivers are not available for Debian.

AFAICS, the latest drivers from Nvidia [External Link] are 430.26, while the latest Nvidia drivers packaged by Debian [External Link] are 430.26. (Don't let yourself fool by the word "experimental". That's not more experimental than Arch, some PPA or whatever.)

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