Quoting: Purple Library GuyI'd certainly love to see that Windows 7--> Linux migration scenario materialize. But I've seen a couple of other "This MS screw-up should drive people our way" events that never worked out, so I dunno. Time will tell.

I don't actually see it happen (most people will use Windows 10, some just stay with Windows 7), it would have to be combined with your "Linux just does everything better" scenario.

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if in short Linux was definitively better as a thing to use than for instance Windows, and specifically if you could play all the Windows games and Linux continued to kick ass in other ways, that this would inevitably result in a mass exodus from Windows and a rapid growth of Linux market share. I don't think that is actually true.

Hm... Not sure about that. It's not like I hear Windows users tell me all the time how they are just loving their Windows. And early next year, when Windows 7 is supposed to die, we'll hear that even less. There might be a barrier of "nobody's using it". If everybody knew someone who also runs Linux (and maybe could be of assistance), I could imagine this mass movement.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyThe production of native Linux games could totally plummet in that scenario. For Steamplay to be a Good Thing it has to result in a big market share gain. And we don't actually know that's going to happen. I think we have to roll those dice anyway because the stagnation we have right now isn't viable in the medium term, but the concerns about Steamplay potentially damaging native game production are pretty valid.

Thanks for these two posts. I cited the second one to say: Yes, this is a) what I'm fearing and b) what, in my eyes, seems to be actually happening. Even many GoL readers, probably more involved than the average Linux gamer, seem to jump on Proton like the starved, and we're not seeing a decent raise on the Steam survey side. I already had the impression of a decline in interesting Linux releases before Proton, but IMHO, Proton... it doesn't seem to stop this to say the least.

I was afraid of what would be happening when Proton was announced, and I see my fears coming true.

... to an extend that I might use it myself some day.

If I will, I'll think about hiding the Linux sale by the way. I figure it might be actually counterproductive to show that Linux users buy Windows only games.

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Anybody knows what happened with their first Kickstarter campaign?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/supragames/supraland-a-first-person-metroidvania-puzzle-adven/updates [External Link]

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Quoting: GuestSo far I'm not seeing an increased in the demand for Linux games, though, when looking at hard evidence and the actual numbers.

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Am I right to assume the release date you're using is the first Steam release? Then I figure the curve looks similar to this for a long time, as we often do not see first day Linux releases...

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Quoting: aldyIf they see that their games are selling well on Linux then they'll consider porting games.

They're already buying, why invest money?

You will know as soon as your game is not Proton compatible and therefore will not sell to Linux users.

So you're with me it's no incentive to port...
(And the incentive to do larger changes, like using Vulkan instead of DirectX, wouldn't be bigger.)

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Quoting: aldyThanks to Steam play I was able to play Doom 2016, Fallout 4, Skyrim, GTA V, The Witcher 3, etc.

I understand this...

Quoting: aldy2) Companies don't care about people complaining on internet, they just trust on concrete numbers. If they see that their games are selling well on Linux then they'll consider porting games.

... but not this.

We're going in circles, but again:

If releasing for Windows only and losing 1% of customers, it won't hurt me and I wouldn't change anything.
If releasing for Windows only and not losing customers (because I see Linux users buying it nevertheless) - why the hell would I change anything?!?
They're already buying, why invest money?

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Quoting: GuestInteresting interview! I wonder why they are so enthusiastic about Linux though, that’s unusual.

Well, why are you/we? :-)
Developers are humans, too...

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Quoting: GuestThats not how economics works. Why would any business create a product for a market that does not exist or is irrelevant in terms of the size of that market? Businesses always look at the size of the market and how much they could possibly get in sales vs the cost of servicing that market. The truth is for many game devs, the outgoings vs projected revenue isn't worth it. We have to show them that the market exists. The only metrics that really matter are sales metrics

Imagine you and a small group of people want chairs. All that's produced is tables. Then half of the group starts going to the retailer, buying tables, but tell everybody "I will use it as a chair! A chair, understand!"
What would be my reaction as a table manufacturer?
I'd say think: "Fine, have fun."
It's no incentive at all for me to produce chairs when I know people will still buy my stuff if I wont - quite the opposite.
What they are showing is not a market for chairs - it's a market for "whatever four-legged you make".

I understand that you're saying that less than a percent is not incentive enough to get chairs many Linux games - it seems you're right. You're hoping for an increasing Linux percentage - I don't see it. But either way, if your long term goal is native Linux games, people must demand native Linux games sooner or later.

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Quoting: ZeloxAnd btw, I might be old fashion. But cant Gaben dress up when he apperences on events and sutch? It gives a very lazy impression.

And I still love lord gaben so dont get me wrong, but pr, communication and public apperances isnt really valves thing I guess :P

It's unbelievable how you can be that unprofessional and that successful at the same time! :D

But then, maybe it's our luck that they're not the usual business type of guys...!

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