Quoting: Purple Library GuyWhy do we care how Huns spell things, anyway?

Achtung!
Don't mess with the Huns, boy!

;-)

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80On a pety note valve is actually listed as Valve Corporation on the wiki and on the steam store under the help/contact tab.

According to my dictionary, there's different meanings to "corporation". In the US, it seems connected to allotting shares (which Valve does not), while it is also used in a broader sense like company (which Valve obiously is)...

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Quoting: Mountain ManIf Microsoft acquired Steam, they would immediately invoke that second clause against Linux users (us being "similarly situated Subscribers generally" ) which would kill Linux gaming almost on the spot, unless somebody like GoG stepped in to fill the void, and they've been rather lukewarm towards Linux in general.

a) Microsoft is not that stupid.
b) This would be illegal at least in the European Union (and probably beyond).

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI don't see where a VR device offers that much more functionality than a monitor + controller/mouse.

Right. It's you who doesn't see this.

You pulled that sentence out of context, which is amazing, considering you quoted the next sentence right after that...

Yes, on purpose, because I think this decsribes the problem better than all the kilobytes you wrote about it.
You don't see it, (many) other people do.
I don't think there's much more about it.
It's nothing objective and all your writing won't make it.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPI don't see where a VR device offers that much more functionality than a monitor + controller/mouse.

Right. It's you who doesn't see this.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPFor gaming, or generally anything where being "inside the first person" has an advantage, sure. But that's just a small fraction of things that classical monitors cover.

Yeah, and that's why people like to use it for some kind of games. No matter what you're saying about its weight or anything. You seem to be trying to refute that VR devices will replace everything - but I'm asking again, who even said that before you were trying to refute it?

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: EikeYeah, that's why people replaced their little Nokias with big Smartphones. Oh, wait...

I hear you say "But these do way more!"
Yes, just like VR devices.

Not a valid comparison.

Then why did you bring it up?

(BTW, smartphones did get larger the last years. iPhone (1): 3,5″, iPhone 8(+): 4,7″/5.5", iPhone X: 5.8".)

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPWhat I care about is the claim that this tech with limited use-cases is THE FUTURE.

Who said that, apart from yourself?

There weren't many postings before you writing about THE FUTURE, and none of them claimed anything like this.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPIf you think that civilized means holding back because someone's feelings could get hurt and nicety for the sake of nicety, then I can only fully disagree.

"it is you being the sheep" is not a feeling.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPBut it doesn't matter, my main point is, it will always weigh more than nothing and will always require you to put something on top of your head. Which will always be more than putting nothing on your head.
Big breakthroughs and replacements of current tech are only established if something is LESS cumbersome, not more cumbersome. See cars, smartphones, etc.

Yeah, that's why people replaced their little Nokias with big Smartphones. Oh, wait...

I hear you say "But these do way more!"
Yes, just like VR devices.
It doesn't matter how much it weighs if it's worth the weight.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPThat point was made for non-FP games.
For first person games, I agree with you.

Ah, ok. I agree that VR doesn't make a huge difference for say Europa Universalis. I would stay with the monitor for this. While I can imagine VR may replace monitors fully some day (did you read Ready Player One?), it shouldn't be the next years.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPPersonally, it is not an immersion that I really need - for me that comes from gameplay mechanics, storytelling, etc. I guess this might be simpler for other people?

How about having both, a good game and unprecedented immersion?

Quoting: TheSHEEEPHow I look at the world - that is just a window. If I move the mouse or hold that controller toward an item - it is just an input command.

You are thinking way to technical about it. My first VR experience, and I'm using this word not as the usual buzzword meaning, but in it's real meaning, was a rollercoaster ride. I got sick! Just how I get on a real rollercoaster! That's not about the input (it didn't have any) or the graphics (minecrafty)! Of course, this wasn't anything to entertain you for a long time, but it showed a physical immersion you cannot have in front of a monitor! You need to add good games to this immersion, but come on, we're just at the beginning. People are starting to learn how you can make a good game in VR.

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