That looks good! Put in in my follow list.

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Quoting: WorMzyLayers of Fear? :D

That's a good one. Doesn't make me panic, like Outlast, but still nice for Halloween.
Or Oxenfree?
SOMA... :)

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Quoting: GreenIs there a forum/thread somewhere about alternative options for valve to consider? I'm curious what solution people would like to have in place. Probably going to be a hard one if people don't want to increase the window of opportunity to play the game and developers getting payed later.

I'm not aware of any effective channel to Valve in the first place. There's a suggestions forum [External Link], but I didn't see any hint of them actually reading it. It seems like they're doing what they want, for good and for bad.

If we had any, I find it hard to come up with a better scheme that the interested parties might be happy with. Of course, Valve could hold back money until a key is actually used (or some expiration date), but developers and publishers would be up in arms against it. They want/need their money quick...

Maybe the money for sells to unknown systems could at least be split according to the known OS shares on Steam. A little improvement, but better than nothing.

PS: It feels like internet is the place where people state their opinos without really listening to other people. I hope I do that better, but you for sure do. Kudos.

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Quoting: GreenI see the problem that arrises when I'm not playing a game with a windows key shortly after purchasing it, but still feel its not my responsibility to repair faulty counting systems. The ones depending on it for their income or succes of their new OS should fix it. But thanks for the information, learned something new.

Trouble is, most parties involved seem to be happy with how it goes. Valve gets its money (and having some viable OS alternative at hands just in case seems to be enough for them), the resellers are getting their money, the original publishers and developers get their money, the gamers get their games for cheap. Say a game has been ported by Feral, they are the only interested party being unhappy with using key resellers - but they don't have the power to change anything about it. We, the Linux gamers, might be the only party who could try to make a (very small) difference.

I'm not saying people are bad if they don't. But I'd like people to at least think about it.

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Quoting: GreenNo we would not have been forgotten, they would notice there is something wrong with their metrics and adjust accordingly, but they don't need to, see my previous reply.

Unfortunately, the world cares more about money than about metrics. And, as shown, the money is already elsewhere when the metrics could be corrected in the world you imagine.

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Quoting: GreenI care, I just don't care about doing stuff without merrit.

This is the way it may go:
* keyreseller.com Inc. buys a thousand keys from Steam. (Or wherever they get them...)
* None of the keys is getting activated and used for playing for some weeks. (They are still selling older keys, or people are just not buying at the moment, ...)
* All money is paid out to the Windows publisher. (Valve cannot hold back the money for indefinite amounts time, and they've got no reason to do so either. As we know, the default platform is spupposed to be Windows.)
* Linux users not aware (or, even worse, not caring about this) are buying such keys.
* They are playing on Linux.
* => nothing happens. The money is already gone. Whoever counts in whichever ways cannot redirect it anymore.

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Quoting: GreenThis don't buy windows keyes isshortsighted, for one spending more money on a game to get an honest count on our Platform is weird, the one who does the counting (or needs the counting for getting payed) should count differently... and they do.

Second, steam also looks after a few days at the player’s play time and reassigns their platform category based on that permanently. Any linux porter doing bussiness knows this and makes this part of their contracts to get payed accordingly.

When buying a key from a reseller, you cannot play shortly after the key has been sold by Steam, because this possible has been long time ago. The money has already been paid to someone else (the Windows publisher) and cannot be redirected anymore. You are losing the influence you could have. This has clearly been stated by e. g. Feral representatives. How comes you think you know more about the money they get then they do?

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Quoting: GuestHow have I never heard of The Swapper?! That looks awesome! Thanks for the heads up.. buying it now.

Two ways of discovering good games are Steam's lists by "relevance" and by reviews. Both to be taken with grains of salt, obviously, but the second one lists The Swapper on page 2:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=linux [External Link]
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Reviews_DESC&os=linux [External Link]

PS: I got it through a Humble Bundle.

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Quoting: GreenAbout buying only a key "when you are absolutely sure it counts as linux". Its just useless to pay more for a game only to promote linux. The percentage of linux games that actually pay attention to this way of buying is way to low to be significant.

The smaller the amount of people, the more significant is your part.

Quoting: GreenJust buy the cheapest key you can get and let valve do their own counting, currently their counting system is broken, i'm not going to pay more for that.

If you don't care for it, ok. But other people do care - and you might benefit from their caring. You shouldn't try to persuade them not to, even if it might make you feel better.

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Quoting: JSVRamirezWhy don't we, at GoL, start a donation thingy where we can put a pound, dollar or whatever, in every now and then and once it gets to a certain value, sweet treats of some kind are sent to porters?

I'd be in. Don't forget the Linuxers at Valve.

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