Quoting: devnull... What? No seriously, what is your point? I never said they had to do anything, where are you getting this from? You replied originally

"Catering to Chinese users" is damn good business. You make it sound like they're doing it to spite us.

At no point did I say Valve or anyone else had to further restrict access. My point was the survey numbers are inflated.

What I replied to and quoted in my post was "Catering to Chinese users for inflated user numbers is not the 'wae'." That implies they're doing it specifically to inflate the numbers, doesn't it? I did not intend to address anything else you might have written or implied.

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Quoting: tuubiIf you see a double entendre there, you're reading it wrong. It's plain English. Developers/publishers can choose their markets. Valve isn't forcing them into the Chinese market, nor are they creating any of the problems you see stemming from this expansion.

I don't know what you're talking here dude. The entendre was your referring to developers as "not victims here". I don't think you understood what I said but are continuing to attack it anyway.

Attacking, really? I thought this was a discussion, not a fight. And I should know if I intend something as a double entendre or not. Your opinion doesn't really matter there.

Quoting: devnullOh I quite agree, it is you.

I guess I don't speak devnull then. Try being more coherent next time.

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Quoting: tuubiIn any case, believe or not, I'm not a big fan of Valve and their business model despite being a somewhat reluctant customer. I've said it many times before on these forums. But what got me into this conversation was your rant about them "catering to Chinese users". Whether they put enough effort towards Linux is another matter. Depends on what you expected from them.

There was no rant. Don't believe I even said they were against Linux specifically. You can of course continue to read into whatever you want to
fit your own narrative.

Now you're getting unnecessarily defensive. But I see this conversation isn't going anywhere, so let's just leave it.

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Quoting: throghWow, let's celebrate proprietary client-software with saving on someone else's computer! Better building ScummVM from source-code with "free as in freedom" and disabling support for network / cloud. :-)

Uhh. Okay. Buy it from GOG then, without Linux support? No optional cloud saves involved then. And I guess ScummVM is evil too, unless you build from source.

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Quoting: tuubiValve just provides the marketplace. Of course they could do something like split player bases into regions in their own games, but imposing these limits on third party publishers and developers would smell a bit too much like politics.

OK... but I never said they had to (impose limits)? For the record they most certainly DO have to, legally. Some titles cannot be sold in all regions or have to be modified.

That's true, but I think you forgot your own point.

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Quoting: tuubiAlthough developers themselves are already able to limit their games to certain regions/markets. They are not victims here.

But again I never said they had to.

The are not victims here" -- Nice double entendre.

No, you didn't say they had to limit access, but if you're griping about China, what else could they do to appease you?

If you see a double entendre there, you're reading it wrong. It's plain English. Developers/publishers can choose their markets. Valve isn't forcing them into the Chinese market, nor are they creating any of the problems you see stemming from this expansion.

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Quoting: tuubiYour gripes about censorship and virtual currency farming are really off topic. I don't know how you got there from Valve's supposed hostility towards Linux.

I gave two examples, have you looked at either of them? Their github for example?

The story is about their hardware survey, and a contentious one at that.

The article is about the hardware survey, but your replies are decidedly not. In fact I'm having trouble following your train of thought. Might just be me.

In any case, believe or not, I'm not a big fan of Valve and their business model despite being a somewhat reluctant customer. I've said it many times before on these forums. But what got me into this conversation was your rant about them "catering to Chinese users". Whether they put enough effort towards Linux is another matter. Depends on what you expected from them.

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Quoting: Hugormwow it look a lot like Pyra/Pandora https://pyra-handheld.com [External Link] whis is linux

The Pyra has an ARM CPU. This one is x86_64. Makes a big difference for compatibility.

But if I understand the Pyra will be modular and the next thing to be pursued after the release should be a x86_64 board as option.

You can't say x86_64 without a lot of fans...
The pyra has none... because arm cpu's can do more with less power.

That's beside the point. It's still a different architecture, which means software and games need to be rebuilt/ported (or emulated).

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Valve just provides the marketplace. Of course they could do something like split player bases into regions in their own games, but imposing these limits on third party publishers and developers would smell a bit too much like politics. Although developers themselves are already able to limit their games to certain regions/markets. They are not victims here.

Your gripes about censorship and virtual currency farming are really off topic. I don't know how you got there from Valve's supposed hostility towards Linux.

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Quoting: devnullCatering to Chinese users for inflated user numbers is not the 'wae'. They're like a pub crawl (no pun intended).

"Catering to Chinese users" is damn good business. You make it sound like they're doing it to spite us.

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I love the character animations. The trailer just oozes style. That said, I'll wait and see if the gameplay holds up before I commit.

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Quoting: tuubiAnd I see no reason to suspect that they're going out of business.

Then you must be very new to Crytek and their history of not paying their staff and having many leave, along with their terrible attempts at lawsuits. A successful company does not these things... I hope they pull their finger out and find a way to survive, but the CEO's seem to be 12 year olds.

A successful company treats their employees well and doesn't stoop to stupid lawsuits? If only that was true...

I'm not trying to cheer for them, just saying that it's pointless to speculate on their financial success. It's not even relevant.

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Quoting: TheRiddickBut yeah, DITCH OPENGL, MOVE TO VULKAN, OR GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN CRYTEK! I somehow doubt this company will be around next year.

A quick search tells me that they already have beta support for Vulkan (official docs [External Link]. Full support is on the roadmap [External Link] for version 5.6, to be released in the summer.

We shouldn't jump to conclusions. Sure, Crytek is not Epic, but there's room for more than one advanced game engine out there. And I see no reason to suspect that they're going out of business.

Their next game [External Link] is in Early Access by the way. Should get Vulkan but no indication of Linux support AFAIK.

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Quoting: Hugormwow it look a lot like Pyra/Pandora https://pyra-handheld.com [External Link] whis is linux

The Pyra has an ARM CPU. This one is x86_64. Makes a big difference for compatibility.

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