Quoting: Mountain ManAs Benjamin Franklin famously said, "Those who would give up essential liberties for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

The man did have a way with words, but just like we do, he gave up some of his liberties for a measure of safety. Living in a society involves quite a lot of compromise.

But tell me, what do you think he meant by "essential liberties"? The liberty to not wear a mask in public during a pandemic perhaps? The liberty to not give a rat's ass about the health and well-being of others? Sure don't sound essential to me.

I guess the quote wouldn't have quite the same impact if it said "temporarily give up some liberties for the common good" instead.

Quoting: Mountain Manthe Chinese coronavirus

Parroting this xenophobic name invented by American right-wing politicians really underlines your ignorance.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: tuubiHaving to stay home a lot for a while (and to wear a mask when I don't) are inconveniences, moreso for some, but worth it to me if it prevents a single death. Same goes for people losing jobs or money, as long as their government makes sure nobody ends up in the streets or has to go hungry. As long as you don't kill off a significant portion of the consumer base, businesses will bounce back and so will jobs.

I'd agree though (and it's probably the only point where I agree with them) that losing your job and the like is not named appropriately with "inconveniences". It's just... that it's necessary.

That's fair. For me personally (as an introvert who is married to another introvert and whose income hasn't been affected at all) this hasn't been a huge problem. The worst I've had to do is avoid properly visiting elderly family who depend on me, which sucks. I also had to cancel my summer vacation plans, but that's definitely just an inconvenience.

Of course I sympathize with those who have bigger problems, and there'll be a bunch of financial as well as psychological trauma to solve after this, but some evils are necessary, and better than the alternative.

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Quoting: EikeEverybody who hasn't done yet and is into some serious puzzling, do play Portal Stories: MEL in hard mode.

What's actually different in hard mode? Completely different puzzles or just things like tighter time limits?

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Quoting: Dorrit

Quoting: EikeCan you imagine how it would have looked without lockdown?

Can you imagine how it would have looked if people had been treated properly (they still aren't, we've been betrayed by our doctors and nurses too).

Are they being mean and putting public safety over your feelings? Or maybe they should have asked nicely, like they did in Sweden? Spoiler: They're doing much worse than their neighbours.

Quoting: Dorrit

Quoting: tuubiCountries that are actually doing something about it have suffered less unnecessary death and misery, at the expense of some inconvenience

Understatement of the Century. And the first part isn't true too.

Having to stay home a lot for a while (and to wear a mask when I don't) are inconveniences, moreso for some, but worth it to me if it prevents a single death. Same goes for people losing jobs or money, as long as their government makes sure nobody ends up in the streets or has to go hungry. As long as you don't kill off a significant portion of the consumer base, businesses will bounce back and so will jobs.

That first part is true as well, even if you choose to ignore facts.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Mountain Man"...free until COVID-19 is under control"

Let's be honest, it's not the virus that's out of control, it's our governments.

Yeah, why not making fun of 1.5 million dead people?

I wasn't making fun of anything, just pointing out that the damage being done to us is not because of some virus that's out of control but because of how our governments' have responded. The fact is, someone in the world dies from something every single second of every single day, and government totalitarianism can't stop that.

Countries that are actually doing something about it have suffered less unnecessary death and misery, at the expense of some inconvenience. And will come out of this with a stronger economy and a healthier populace than those nations who did nothing.

You'll get your freedumbs back as soon as we get this under control. Or at least people living in properly democratic countries will. No government is perfect, but at least in my part of the world we don't have to actually be afraid of ours.

The world would most likely be in a much better situation already if people had properly followed the advice of medical experts from the beginning instead of acting like selfish brats.

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Quoting: PatolaIt's on -35% sale on Fanatical [External Link]. It seems that it will be on sale on Steam after Dec. 22.

Its already on steam.

Yes it's on Steam, but not on sale as in "being sold for a reduced price". :smile:

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Quoting: loggeEdit: I want to mention that typo: wasn't it wastelands 2 that was released in 2014 and made my days then?

Which typo do you mean? I assume you mean this sentence:

Quoting: Liam DaweActing as a sequel to their 2014 hit, Wasteland 3 is a squad-based RPG

What that means is that Wasteland 3 acts as a sequel to the previous game in the series, which is indeed Wasteland 2, released in 2014. I guess you got confused by the sentence structure?

EDIT: Heh, now my comment doesn't make sense anymore. Thanks Liam. :grin: Good edit though.

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Quoting: inckieThere is the "war" with Canonical and I simple don't understand why they spend time developing useless applications, like the Warpinator or their IPTV application which no one needs or asked for.

Really? I thought these were probably useful for some of their users. I mean I don't personally have a use for them and you don't have a use for them, but it's a bold claim that nobody asked for them.

And which "war" are you talking about? Not going with Snaps? Saying that they need to prepare for the possibility that Ubuntu might not always be available for them to base their distro on, after Canonical explicitly said so?

Quoting: inckieI think Linux desktop distros should focus the coming time on making Windows games run flawlessly and also continue to make improvement to the overall Linux desktop for enterprises (e.g. a little thing like the change Canonical did to the installer, so you can now domain join upon installation, means a whole lot regarding that).

Here are my wishes for Linux Mint:

1. Support the fantastic work regarding Wine.
2. A true real alternative to Microsoft Office.
3. Better interoperability with Windows environments.
4. Better Cinnamon development experience and documentation.

Ah. This was about what you want, not about what other Mint users want. I don't agree with your wishlist BTW, so I guess I now get to claim nobody asked for these things either. (I won't though, because that would be silly.) Also, I think you're either seriously overestimating the Mint team's resources or grievously underestimating the development effort needed to produce a world class office suite.

The last point might be valid. Can't really say as I've never even used Cinnamon.

In my opinion Mint is still doing what they were always doing and trying to provide a stable Linux distribution with a good out-of-the-box experience. Gaming might not be a big focus, but that's perfectly fine. They're not doing anything to hinder my gaming either.

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Lovely. I very much enjoyed Wasteland 2 and will definitely buy this at some point.

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Quoting: GuestI'll add one more use case for Gentoo - its a great distro for learning how all the components of a linux distro fit together. The install process walks you through manually partitioning and formating your disk, compiling your kernel, setting up your fstab, bootloader, networking etc. And that just gets you to a VT prompt on boot. Want a gui? Well, you'll go through all the different bits to make that happen - setting up your graphics drivers, X, a display manager, and whatever desktop shell you want to roll with.

Yes, its a ton of work, and it definitely isn't for everyone. But you'll have a vastly better understanding of what's going on under the hood so when you use a distro that does all this for you, you can be better prepared to solve problems that come up.

This is why I loved using it as my main distro for a few years somewhere back in the early 2000s. You know, when installing it was even less streamlined. :P

I mean compiling all that stuff with my Athlon Thunderbird 750 took ages, and I had to print out pages and pages of installation manual because I didn't have any other Internet capable devices, but it was all worth it. Portage was and is also a lovely package management system.

Then, when I found other things to occupy my time than tinkering with my system, I moved on to other distros. :)

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