Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: CyborgZetaHowever, it's not going to change the fact that Ubuntu is just not suited for gaming just from the way it's designed. Gaming, particularly on Linux, benefits immensely from having the latest kernel and the latest drivers. Neither of which can be done in Ubuntu without workarounds and PPAs, which I don't think should be relied on.

I dunno. Seems to me there has to be a middle road between "no current software available" and "use the Aur which potentially pulls in bleeding edge bloody everything all the time with no guidance so you've got near infinite chances to break stuff".
I mean, just how many packages are we talking about keeping up to the latest? If you've got a full time staffer for gaming-related stuff, it should be workable for them to maintain a small meta-package of latest gaming stuff, which could be in the official repo or even visible in the update tool. One thing to install, one thing to revert if it causes problems. Then you could have what you needed for gaming without opening up a can of Aur.

The middle road is to just use a regular Arch-based system. I've been using EndeavourOS for almost a month, and have not needed to touch the AUR once. In fact, I actively avoid the AUR precisely because I'm aware it can mess with Arch's stability.

The key things needed for gaming, in my opinion, are the latest Mesa and the latest kernel. Arch gives you both from the official repos: no backporting, no PPA, and no AUR for that matter.

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If Canonical genuinely wants to make Ubuntu the go-to distro for gaming on Linux, and in turn contribute to gaming on Linux as a whole, then I welcome them with open arms.

However, it's not going to change the fact that Ubuntu is just not suited for gaming just from the way it's designed. Gaming, particularly on Linux, benefits immensely from having the latest kernel and the latest drivers. Neither of which can be done in Ubuntu without workarounds and PPAs, which I don't think should be relied on. My rule of thumb for several months now and going forward, and this is just MY OPINION, is that if something isn't in the official repos or available as a Flatpak (typically from Flathub), then I'm not going to bother. I'm at a point in my "Linux career" now where I don't want to have to put in a lot of time and effort just to accomplish a particular task.

Valve moved to an Arch-based system for the same reason I did; rolling release, you always have the latest stuff you need, the Arch repositories have tons of software (IMO), and you don't need to worry about point release upgrades.

Also, I don't like that Canonical continues to push Snaps, or that they use GNOME, but that's neither here nor there.

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I'm quite satisfied with my used ViewSonic monitor with 75hz and FreeSync. Having played on consoles most of my life, 60+fps is a luxury to me. I don't play multiplayer games, so I'm not interested in dropping tons of money on a new monitor and whatever else kids like these days.

My PC info is completely different now since I'm now using a PC I put together myself. More powerful CPU, more powerful GPU, DDR4 instead of DDR3, and EndeavourOS instead of Debian.

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Quoting: sudoer

Quoting: CyborgZetaGood. I want to see more Flatpak adoption.

Me not at all. https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future [External Link]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

For me, Flatpaks are extremely convenient. They're kept separate from the core OS, and they're distro-agnostic. On a more "stable" distribution, like Xubuntu on my ThinkPad, Flatpaks are a handy way of having up-to-date programs. And on an Arch-based system, like I'm using on my desktop, they allow me to maintain my policy of avoiding the AUR, in addition to allowing me to reliably use Steam.

Getting Steam to work reliably, coming from Ubuntu and Debian, has been a pain in the butt on EndeavourOS. For starters, I had to add udev rules to root that Ubuntu+Debian installed automatically as the package "steam-devices". But more importantly, the Steam Flatpak has been the only way I've been able to consistently play my Steam games. The only game I can't explicitly run in the Steam Flatpak is Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines; any other game I've had issues with have had issues in the Steam Flatpak and the Steam Runtime.

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Quoting: ComfyRice

Quoting: STiATUsing KDE, Wayland is not an option with NVidia yet anyway. Unless you want to move your mouse so that anything is done and rendered at all ... think this bug exists now since october.

Is Wayland usable for games on AMD? I have a Nvidia system and wayland halves my framerate in games at best and makes them unplayable at worst.
Works great outside of games for me otherwise.

I've been playing games through Steam on Plasma Wayland (using the Steam Flatpak, no less) with no trouble. The only problems I've had have nothing to do with Wayland.

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I generally don't like to pooh-pooh specific distributions, but this is one distro I feel gets way more attention than it probably deserves.

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Good. I want to see more Flatpak adoption.

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Surprisingly, I can actually run CS:GO now (maybe thanks to this?).

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Moving away from PPAs is smart. I don't think the average end-user should be relying on them for anything.

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I think the Steam Deck is the right kind of device to help Linux get its foot in the door of the mainstream. Expensive laptops and computers from TUXEDO, System76, StarLabs, etc. isn't going to cut it. I'm on a PC I built myself now, but prior to this I had to use refurb'd/used Lenovo ThinkCentres and ThinkPads to use Linux (they work great for that, btw, good machines).

Also, and I'm sure quite a few people will not like me saying this, but I think Linux will need to push Flatpak more if it wants to get into the mainstream. If we want more developers to develop/publish their applications on Linux, then I think Flatpak is the best method we have (for now, perhaps). Even Valve seems to be supporting this with their promotion of Flatpak as the primary means of installing applications on SteamOS 3.0.

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