Quoting: pilkSo glad to hear it's finally made it to the stable branch, just waiting for RPMFusion to come out with it, then no more of that flickering that's been bothering me the past month or so.

I switched to NVK and mesa meanwhile. Some games (especially DX12) don't run due to missing NVK features, some DX11 have poor performance and become a slide show (while others are just fine, so I guess missing features or just bottlenecks too), and you can feel that the graphic card heats up more, which isn't fun if you passively cool your card with just heatpipes.

Mesa and nvk will get there eventually, but not yet. It's a huge undertaking they started, and I'm actually surprised how well mesa+nvk actually work on so many titles and especially for daily use without gaming (which may even get better when Nova hits the streets and Zink goes prime time - which I've tried, is still too slow for daily usage especially on youtube videos in Firefox or similar the whole desktop becomes "laggy"). It will take quite some more time for them to get on-par, but good to see how far they've come, actually very impressive comparing it to 2-3 years ago where nouveau wouldn't even boot my graphics card :D.

I'm not sure I'm fine with switching back to Nvidia driver though, it gave me plenty headaches in the past, and with Mesa and NVK I at least know what to expect (and what not).

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Step by step, until there is no turning back. (c) Jean Claude Juncker, quoted by Dirk Koch, 27 December 1999

I think it's valuable that they start looking into proper GPU support for Linux out of the box. They probably have seen too what current projects achieve with NVK and a RedHat backed nouveau on the GSP stack, and that it can be valuable to customers (if you don't need CUDA or similar).

It's not as if AMD or Intel have a "huge" team behind the linux drivers. And Nvidia certainly would have the resources to sponsor at least the same amount towards a proper open source support (especially since that builds upon already implemented infrastructure - mesa).

The proprietary drivers won't go away, and some will use them for support by Nvidia especially on commercial use or other complex use cases. AMD still got them too - but I think nobody actually uses them :D.

I am happy by the development we have seen, but it's mostly sponsored by Valve and RedHat. The patchsets are nice, but not by any means the main effort.

I hope Nvidia steps up the support. Not only since I use Nvidia at the moment and don't plan to replace my gaming rig any time soon, but since it would highly benefit a large user base.

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Quoting: STiATI just got mesa 24.1 on Fedora 40. And I dumped the Nvidia proprietary driver.

Performance is a bit less, but actually not bad, for my needs and games I currently play more than satisfying. Seems I'm finally done with the nvidia crapware.

As a side-note, there are features missing required for a lot of modern games, and partially necessary for performance.

It's on the mesa issue tracker:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/9479 [External Link]

Some of those, as VK_KHR_deferred_host_operations is an issue for some games. So some games will struggle, some just won't depending on their engine (in example, KCD has huge performance issues - but it always was bad :D, WoW works perfectly well).

Horizon and Bannerlord 2 just crash due to an other issue which should be fixed in 24.2.

I expect we will see more and more features and better performance for more games over time. But not all is "perfect" now, for sure not in a state if you "just want to play", if you can live with just not playing some games for now it's fine.

Since I have a huge backlog on old titles - that's fine for me :D.

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I just got mesa 24.1 on Fedora 40. And I dumped the Nvidia proprietary driver.

Performance is a bit less, but actually not bad, for my needs and games I currently play more than satisfying. Seems I'm finally done with the nvidia crapware.

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Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: STiATA few more days to go to 555 nvidia driver.Finally explicit sync. I hope Fedora will be fast on that one - they already got the gnome version having the patches.

You can always download and install the driver manually without hassle. Much like I've been doing since Doom 3 released.

I could, but I'd need to manage and update that myself later... and that's what I really do not want to do. Just glad that will hopefully be gone in the next month.

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A few more days to go to 555 nvidia driver.Finally explicit sync. I hope Fedora will be fast on that one - they already got the gnome version having the patches.

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Cool, really looking forward to that one, hope it continues to run well on either native or proton. But I made the mistake of buying early access and burning out before release before (Valheim ...) - so I'll wait for the release with that one. It hits all the boxes, medieval, city building, RTS... I really could like that one. What I saw so far on Videos - I really liked it.

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I really like the progress on Zink. It's a real effort to get all those different OpenGL implementations into a single abstraction layer - which would be great and basically could render OpenGL drivers mostly obsolete but for Zink (on the driver side - not on the client side ofc, not yet anyway).

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Which immediately crashes the game for me :D. But anyway, that game is still having issues rendering properly for me.

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I think it's great, they're late in the game, but better late than never. I hope they're seriously considering spending time and resources to implement a proper standard driver in mesa like AMD and Intel have. That would give us the real choice, AMD, Intel, NVidia without having to deal with a always half-broken binary driver if you happen to get the wrong graphics card.

As I did on my PC (which was a choice I did, I didn't expect their drivers to introduce real bugs from version to version which do have an impact on me). Or I have on my work laptop (which I couldn't choose).

If it was an open source driver, I would have at least an avenue to debug and report the issue properly. Done so in the past, have a very good experience with AMD and Intel developers responding fast and very interested if you did the according work to have a proper report. Same with the Valve developers on DXVK, which was probably the best experience I ever had reporting bugs (with Philip and Joshua).

For me that's one of the real benefits of having stuff open source: I can either fix it myself, or at least debug it far enough to provide proper findings so developers who know the implementation and know where to look - and what they're doing in that code base.

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