Quoting: Whitewolfe80Yeah but Carmack is not exactly Linux friendly since he has gone on record to say releasing quake 3 on linux was a giant waste of resources

I don't think he actually said that, because 1) Quake 3 was ported by a single guy, TTimo aka Timothy Besset, and 2) Quake 3 was also officially ported to the Macintosh twice, first to Mac OS 9, and then to Mac OS X. The expertise gone into the Linux port certainly helped OMNI Group (responsible for the OS X port).

So that's not what one would call "a giant waste of ressources" even for a troll like Carmack. In fact he even said they could get a Linux build up and running in a week or two, it is official support which is harder to set up. The fact is that Zenimax is against "unofficial binaries", and that's what Linux versions of most id games were: unofficial and unsupported.

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Quoting: GuestWho cares about "before that" ? No, MS did not pay Carmack to say D3D is better. It simply is for many reasons... no extension hell, rigorous testing standards, support for proper multithreading...

GL has simply not kept up to speed. Ask any developer who has used GL seriously and they will tell you that. Pretty much everything Rich Geldreich has said on the subject, for example.

Who cares? - me for example.
MS did not pay Carmack - I did not say that.
No extension hell... - I already said that OpenGL is more complex.

Before Bethesda took id Software all their games where available for Linux native.
Nowadays DOOM/RAGE developers are not able to deliver a linux installer anymore.
What do you think about this? - maybe you know more than me?

At the time Rage was released, John Carmack simply declared Linux "didn't pay the bills", and thus announced it would never get ported on Linux. Several months after this he left id, Linux support for Quake Live was abandoned, TTimo left too, and now id is just a Bethesda subsidiary which tries to emulate its own community's success (see Brutal Doom...) Now Quake Champions has been announced and it's nothing else than a poor Quake skin for Overwatch. I'm not even sure they'll be able to capture Quake's unique physics engine, and well, I don't really care, as I won't get to play that ludicrous attempt at making easy money since it's staying clear of my OS.

There was a time, id was an innovative company, the FPS leader for a little more than ten years. The Rage flop and Zenimax buyout just destroyed this company.

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Quoting: Shmerlonce they'll also catch up in hardware (Vega 2 and Navi)

That is, if they do. We should not speculate and only base our opinion on real stuff. AMD's record as far as power consumption goes has only just got a lot better with Ryzen CPUs, which doesn't mean they'll be able to get better results on the GPU side. The only thing we've got at the moment is hope.

Concerning Wine compatibility with DirectX 12, I think it's a good thing they've got it sorted as soon as possible. I don't think it will slow DirectX 11 implementation that much, and who knows, DX12 could really be successful sometime in the future. If Wine isn't lagging behind, that's one more argument in favour of Linux.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardFor achieving that ; AMD needs better watt per performance which i don't think it will happen any time in five years.

I expect it to happen in 2019, with release of 7nm GPUs. But we'll have to wait and see of course.

That's a problem in itself. Had they been able to release GPUs with a better power consumption this very year, I would have switched to AMD right away. But knowing nothing's going to happen this year, I'll just stick to my GTX 1050Ti for another year or two.

Oh and there is the rather poor Vulkan optimization at the time, I hope they'll get it sorted, too. But I'd say this is not as urgent as getting the hardware right.

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I just don't trust those guys...

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweNone of the press slides I was sent even hinted at a refresh of Vega.

Yep, and that's a concern.

I thought they were rather supposed to unveil Navi sometime soon... aren't they?

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I hope they know what they are doing. If Linux comes with Solo campaign, well, it's not that bad after all.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: pete910

Quoting: omer666Are you having black trees in-game? I just bought it and it's annoying me a great deal, I think it's going to be a refund.

Welcome to the supposed perfect NV drivers :P

No not perfect just 1 million times better than the official AMD ones.

Stop being silly and trolling!

You come across as a idiot making ridiculous statements like that.

I believe his statement was about AMDGPU-PRO, not open source AMDGPU. Nevertheless, AMDGPU-PRO is far better than Catalyst drivers have ever been. I am really looking forward to switching to AMD, and I really hope they will release a gaming-grade GPU that's energy efficient. When this day comes, going AMD will be a no-brainer for Linux users.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80

Quoting: omer666Are you having black trees in-game? I just bought it and it's annoying me a great deal, I think it's going to be a refund.

which drivers are you using if you are using 384.98 dont there are issues making performance worse with that series of drivers roll it back to an older driver should see performance gains they are working on fixes.

In fact I haven't had any performance problems so far with 387.34, it was what I suppose to be shader problems, for which I found a fix (see my comment a bit earlier), but thanks for the tip.

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I love DoW III and the game gets better with each update. I hope there's an incoming expansion...

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