Quoting: GuestUgh, can someone please re-post the Discord-walled download link for the latest version?

Can't you just go here https://www.shipofharkinian.com/ [External Link]

Click the Discord button and then click the #downloads or #announcements channel or whatever it is?

I typically will follow this game by querying YouTube "Ocarina of Time PC" and setting the sort order to "This Week" or "This Month".

This decompilation & mod are easily in my most anticipated watch list right now.

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This topic & comments have been a roller-coaster to read.

* People arguing for/against UNIX Philosophy and whether or not it's even relevant in modern times as user requirements have changed.

* Hatred of all things Containers

* Concern (Fear) of the destruction of something good (FlatHub) by changing it in new ways.

* Speculation on if package managers are inadequate and Flatpak is eating their lunch.

* Fear of Crapware Store Spam & a Linux Adpocolypse

* Lamentations over supporting Flatpak over AppImage in the past.

I'm surprised that I haven't seen any comments expressing fear over the GNOME origin since GNOME is infamous for having their own philosophy and yeeting user feedback.

This seems like another historical fork in the road and pivotal moment -- like when Valve created Proton, The Ubuntu Phone, Unity 8, Mir v Wayland v X. Systemd being mainlined in Debian.

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Regarding Containerization. For most people nowadays Storage and RAM are cheap with huge excess, so that argument doesn't hold up.

Sure I understand that IDEALLY IF a program were to use System Libraries IN A PERFECT WORLD it would be great. But we live in a world where Content Creators -- people who make Apps build a thing, or for-profit companies build a thing, and then move on -- they don't baby their creation and adopt it forever updating it against GTK v57 ever 2 weeks until the end of time.

With that in mind I would argue that IF "security" or "portability" are key or if the parts are part of the OS Platform -- then using system libraries are optimal.

If however the program, app, game, etc... is CONTENT then I would argue that containerization is optimal as users really are not prioritizing Did the app get "security" patch v145 when they play CS:GO for example. Different use cases -- different goals, different targets.

Thus a web server, or email server, or bank server is going to look different from a home workstation.

I do worry that in changing FlatHub that they may fuck it up. However, acting out of fear is often not optimal -- so I'll give it my [ Fuck It ] stamp of approval and hope that they succeed and prove me wrong. We're gambling that the net effect will bring more paid products to Linux and carve out a marketplace. Hopefully such a marketplace isn't ever corrupted or used for sabotage, I just think the prospective benefits of the gamble are too big to ignore. In the same way that Proton literally increased the number of games on Linux above 10,000 or 20,000 or whatever it is in a very short time.

I will say that I do believe in a certain Survival of the Fittest and that Linux & FLOSS is so broad that there are many projects that are created and then die or fail, but out of those we have some BIG Winners that make the whole platform better than Windows & Mac and #1 for many users.

If FlatHub people are reading this -- I would hope they take a lesson from Gabe Newell when in 2013 he said their entire business model is built around "Removing Barriers" -- making it as easy as Possible for customers to be informed and get access to Content. Additionally when he talked about "Piracy is a service problem" as is seen with Netflix. People will pay for things but ONLY IF it's more convenient to exchange money to take the hassle away of getting it elsewhere or having to babysit / manage it.

And in the spirit of Open Source, if you don't like something -- fork it. Debian had Devuian -- if people want to take everything FlatHub is in 2023 and feel it's worth forking into a new website, go for it.

There's plenty of room for everyone, and we'll see how the future shapes up.

(I do hope that the the FlatHub Plus? /s business model steals a few pages from Valve's Employee Handbook figuratively and literally and distances themselves from The-GNOME-Way.)

One thing's for sure -- this is going to be very interesting.

Edit: I also wanted to add that Strict Political Agnostic Neutrality is critical to me buying on the store -- gatekeeping one dev or another because they are of the blood of a current enemy or have different ideology or beliefs contrary to popular public opinion will turn me cold so fast. Meanwhile a level of content curation is necessary -- I would hope users can tag content, and the curation process be agnostic. The only discrimination I am for is things like tags [ Has Telemetry ] and discriminating against any apps with [ Ads ] -- or scam shovelware disguised as content. If people want to declare a political or national association -- I have no problem with that but I want to be able to filter OUT content from my feed with specific declarations -- those decisions should be informed and made by ME the user and not on a per-store basis.

It's like Gabe Newell's argument for anime dating games on Steam -- 99% of customers don't want that content and so they filter it out. Then there are 1% of users who buy dozens or hundreds of that content -- and Gabe Newell and Valve don't make themselves Arbiters to promote content of one nationality and block content of another for example -- I the customer with the money get to discriminate with my money -- not the store. My money goes to the places I believe are merited or a fair exchange.

Edit 2: I write this as someone who makes decisions about thousands, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands in business deals or purchasing equipment for clients, software and so on -- so please do understand I ALWAYS vote with my dollar -- even MORE so when it benefits FOSS and Linux connections.

(3 Steam Deck gifts later and I'm thinking of buying my 4th)

We must always vote with our dollar.

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Cities: Skylines I was published with Tencent [External Link]

Is Tencent still involved with Cities: Skylines II ???

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Much better price. I do like the Sabrent products though.

I was disappointed the 2TBs were sold out. Although only at a sub $260 price really. $300 is too steep.

This 1TB is tempting as a upgrade for my other guest Decks.

I'm really excited for the N64 style case mods from the other day. Though I wish clear was in stock already.

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Looks like I'm deciding whether or not to buy one or multiple for my guest LAN Decks.

I completed the 1TB Sabrent mod the other day.

I was slightly bummed out to see that they only sell a back-plate -- I would be happy to do a full mod and buy a front-plate too.

I asked my Deck peeps and they like the clear, purple and green the most so far.

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Quoting: Renzatic Gear

Quoting: ElectricPrismI would buy several commercial tools right now if they were available starting with Affinity Photo 2 -- it was my understanding some people got it running in Bottles a few months back.

I was a part of that thread over on the Affinity forums.

Yeah, we got one of the last pre 2.0 releases to run in Bottles, but it wasn't exactly what I'd call a smooth experience. Between the flickering canvas, and the constant crashes, I'd say it's one step above "...well, at least we got it to boot."

From memory, I decompressed the msix installer and went to install it and for some reason it would seize up the kernel on my Threadripper. No TTY switch, no nothing.

I've planned on imaging a VM, installing it, and then imaging it again and dumping the Regedit DIFFs and Filesystem DIFFs into a Wine Prefix -- I've just had too much to be busy with lately. That and my default desktop is Sway/Wayland so the merging of wine-wayland will be helpful for me.

I am hopeful that the usability will improve, I wish the community could just vote on important apps at codeweavers and get support -- that'd be worth the money.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyMakes me wonder how workable it would be to build Flatpaks with (Windows application + Wine), and whether Codeweavers could make a few pennies setting up such packages on Flathub for Windows software sellers?

I like the way you think. It would be awesome if somebody went around and made deals with some popular tools to expand their audience and bring them to FlatHub similar to Icculus a few years back.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuySumming up, I think:
--Short term, for open source, some people get a bit of money to help development, impact minor
--Short term, for closed source, could help distribution of closed software to the Linux desktop, creating more interest in providing same
--Medium term, could help grow Linux desktop but somewhat crowd out open source software on Linux
--Longer term, I'd expect on a bigger-share Linux desktop, open source alternatives would grow again and displace the closed offerings. In the vague, nebulous future a good thing.

I'm glad somebody gets the Second Order of Consequences ( that is that each effect forks into secondary and third forks of nested effects )

For example historically, Valve releasing Steam Beta on Linux 10 years ago lead to -> Porting Source / Source 2 Engines, work on Gamepad Controller drivers in the Kernel, improvements to SDLv2 and later -> The creation of Proton aswell as improvements to MESA, AMD open drivers, Nvidia Drivers and so on which eventually leads to Steam Deck and in the future Deckard VR.

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I am tired of the historical false tropes -- like OMG Linux is FREE, or is that "that really old looking DOS thing".

All the Rust work and UnixprOnz CLI with amazing TUI applications like bpytop, neofetch, cava, pamixer, musikcube and others has already negated the second false trope.

Taking out the first will be my pleasure, I've spent tens of thousands on high end hardware, monitors, threadippers, expensive keyboards -- even $4,000 drawing monitors just because they support Linux.

To those who _really_ know Computing. Linux is King. Tell me where to shovel the money to the commercial software devs, then sooner we can dismantle and make a mockery of the shills and disinformants throwing shit to FUD up our reputation the better.

To go along with your points -- I do think that selling tools is different from selling content, and licensing and paying money for games and content vs tools or platform is fundamentally different. I think a platform and all its core libs and core tools (like htop, itop, etc..) should be cost-free to the consumer _if possible_ -- however if someone wants to charge for a alternative to Photoshop, or Games, or Music or other Content -- it makes sense they are creating the content as a business venture on some level.

I will be happy to see this stigmatism dismantled.

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Sunk Cost Fallacy. In poker terms, I've been All-In on Linux for many years now. Sure I'd throw some money at it.

I don't care how it happens but getting money to linux software devs is in MY best interest.

I would buy several commercial tools right now if they were available starting with Affinity Photo 2 -- it was my understanding some people got it running in Bottles a few months back.

People exchange money for convenience.

If they carve out a niche and there are rewards like profile badges or a exchange that drives development I'm open for new models and new things.

Money is for a protection, everyone needs it and theres nothing wrong with making some making FOSS licensed stuff in exchange for ease like Ardour.

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I'm glad Valve is using advanced tactics.

I am generally against Anti-Cheats as I feel that there are too many false-positives is the case with EAC and for example Halo MCC or Infinite hurting Linux players.

I also feel that gamers should be free to self-host on LAN, or online and join servers and take that risk for themselves. In ranked it makes sense, but the war against cheaters always felt like a "think about the children" diversion to advance a malicious agenda that is anti-consumer (as is the case in EAC fucking over Linux gamers for years now -- Thanks Epic! /s).

I was really concerned when I read the headline the other day about 40k after having paid for in game content myself, but hearing their methodology I am relieved.

I just think, well fuck if I have $200 of in game content in a game, what's to stop them from giving me a false positive or getting booted if my power goes out or there is another unfair problem that isn't my fault.

I think Valve is on the right path overall, but this centralized, locked down gaming future is a little shitty -- same reason I didn't buy into the whole Google Stadia platform -- they wanted me to pay for something that I'm not sure I ever really receive.

I like owning things and being trusted to be competent enough to make my own adult decisions about which servers I join and not having some company dictate what I can and can't have or do. That doesn't make sense to give up control for nothing but a convenience.

Sometimes it feels like this generation has lost their balls and their fight, like they'll just roll over and take whatever comes. I am hopeful hard times will reignite standing up for hard working consumers to be respected instead of simply subjugated.

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