Not on subject, but just a tought... What use for EGS exclusivity deals if Xbox PC gamepass works around it? Metro Exodus is now on the Xbox PC gamepass, after 4 months of exclusivity. Has the sales been lower then they expected? Could it become the demise of Epic's strategy? Better put their Fortnite cash down the drain, unless it's a Steam lockout deal?

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Epic on one side of the exclusive stuff and Microsoft on the other. They really are trying to whrench PC gaming from Steam. It might just be exagerated from my part, but I'm worried for the influence of Steam, on the long term and, thus, for Linux gaming. I'm affraid Valve might be forced to speed up studio acquisitions too, to protect a part of their market, like they did with Campo Santo (Firewatch).

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Quoting: pete910Hate to say it, but those thinking this will bring more games to linux (destop) I feel are in for some serious disappointment!

Let's wait and see. We will have some form of answer, when these games launch on Steam. No going to speculate on the outcome though.

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Quoting: MohandevirMmmm...

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3401136/destiny-2-is-coming-to-steam-in-september.html [External Link]

Will it support linux (Stadia build)? Will the Windows version run on Vulkan? Will it be playable with Proton?
Not my kind of game, but it's still a big title... No? I'm not familliar with the game.

Baldur's Gate III on Steam too... It's probably just that, but the coincidence makes me wonder.

its F2P and stadia is also free. i am not sure if it makes any sense to make F2P games for any other platform than stadia... maybe for slow internet connections

but if you have like 50mbit, why would you download it? you have to be online... duuuhhh when you wanna play it, it takes 0 space on your drive (steam says 105 GB), its completely silent, you dont have to pay for higher power consumption

if stadia is really that cheap, SHADOW will have a hard time

Still... Lots of Stadia and Steam simultaneous announcements... Won't it give have an indication of the impact of Stadia, on Linux desktop support? That's just what I meant. Didn't see any Stadia+Epic announcements. Just crossing my fingers. :)

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Mmmm...

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3401136/destiny-2-is-coming-to-steam-in-september.html [External Link]

Will it support linux (Stadia build)? Will the Windows version run on Vulkan? Will it be playable with Proton?
Not my kind of game, but it's still a big title... No? I'm not familliar with the game.

Baldur's Gate III on Steam too... It's probably just that, but the coincidence makes me wonder.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: MohandevirNo hard drive failure in 15 years? Wow! Hardly believable.

I upgraded it once or twice, so it's not 15 years of continuous use for one drive, but none has ever failed me. In fact, the only component I've ever had to replace because of a defect has been a DVD drive. Even when my Ethernet cable somehow soldered itself to its port it kept working :D

Imo, a hardrive failure/replacement is probably the worst. Not because it's costly, but because of the downtime involved; you have to reinstall to whole thing and if you don't have a backup, which many don't, you need to redownload all of your games. Many recent titles are 50gb-100gb... Quite long if your connexion is slow. Even if you have a backup of your files, it's not instantaneous.

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Quoting: CyrilSorry but it doesn't make sense at all. Your PS2 games are not hardwired to your console, you don't loose your game library at all. Your games are untouched if a console failure occurs. :|

Nevermind. You are right, my example wasn't a good one, I already admited it and being a PC gamer, it's not a subject that's relevent to me, anyway.

I should have limited myself to this:

Quoting: MohandevirThis said, if Stadia is a success, there is no reason to stop supporting it. Google+ was shutdown because nobody used it anymore. If Stadia is a failure, who will it hurt? It's going to die in general indifference, like the other projects Google killed.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: liamdaweAlso, "unfair" about paying and not having any real access to the files, what's fair about it?
Google has issues? No game.
Your net has issues? No game.

This can be replaced by: "Motherboard failure ($$$), no games, HDD failure ($$), no games, GPU failure($$$$), no games, RAM failure($), no games... Want me to go on? It's all about managing the risks. Both point of view are valid.

None of these failures have happened to me in over 15 years, so it's such a tiny risk that I don't see a reason to even factor it into my game-purchasing decisions. Power or cable failures, on the other hand, happen several times a year, not to mention that sometimes I might want to play a game somewhere without Internet access.

Yeah... Want me to show you my brand new RX580 that I had to send back, 2 months ago?

No hard drive failure in 15 years? Wow! Hardly believable.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: MohandevirPeronnally I will probably use Stadia, if the subscription plan is flexible enough, to play games I can't play on my Linux rig. I'm a big fan of the Steam Link app, on my Nvidia Shield which is, by far, the best client I ever tried (and I've tried a lot of them). I'd be really surprised if Stadia was of better quality than that (local streaming vs streaming from internet).

GeForce now is a good alternative for streaming my Steam library from Nvidia's servers, but it seems to run on Windows instances... Yuk!

Now, if Steam could offer something similar to Stadia on a "Stream your Steam library" model. It might ease a part of the 30% cut critics.

Love my Steam Links. They pushed out an update even, not too long ago.

I trust Google about as much as I trust a fart not to stink. Wonder if this will just end up like the playstation plus, where you get some free games each month, but have to pay for the subscription plus whichever game you want to not actually own.

I got 2 Steam Links when they were on sale (5$). Just for the HDMI cable included it was a no-brainer. Lol!
It might be related to my personnal network setup, but I have to admit that my Nvidia Shield is giving me much better streaming performances, with the Steam Link app.

But I understand your distrust of Google. That's why I said that I would use it only if I can't play a game on my rig. It's just that my desire to support Linux gaming is stronger than my Google distrust.

I got my second Link for $5, but had the first one since they were released.

Thought about getting an nvidia shield, but never did. Was going to try the steam link app on the raspberry pi, but haven't yet.

If you have the budget, I highly recommend the Nvidia Shield. I'm an EboxTV (Legal IPTV supplier in Canada) user and it's even better than my supplier's IPTV box in terms of image quality, performances and stability (there's an official EboxTV app for the Shield specifically). That's the first reason why I bought it and I was curious to see GeForce Now in action. Then I tried the Steam link app and I was positively surprised. To me, the Shield is "One device to rule them all". With Kodi and Libretro, it's a complete media box, I have nothing else hooked to my TV, since. That's my personnal experience though. It's always a matter of what you need. :)

Ha, right now I have a Steam Link, Raspberry Pi, PS4 Pro, Switch and Atari 5200 connected to my TV.

Woah! Awesome! ;)

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Quoting: wvstolzingThe latter comparison (Steam-Stadia) is a bit more on point; but the PS2 comparison hardly works at all. Google 'stopping support' for Stadia would correspond to the *possibility* of running anything on a PS2 going away, which entails i) every PS2 in the world evaporating; ii) every copy of every game disappearing so it can't be emulated (or its becoming impossible that an emulator should be developed by reverse engineering).

If your PS2 broke, and you couldn't afford to get a new console, you could still hold on to your games to play them at your friend's house; or save up to get a used PS2 in 2 years; or wait 10 years so an accurate emulator shows up. When something like Stadia 'breaks', you have none of those possibilities.

Totally true! It's just that I never really resolved to these solutions (used or friend's PS2. In my case). As for emulators, it's quite a bet, considering all the legal stuff involved. I was referring to PS2 when Sony stopped producing them, but in a more general view (all PS2 disapearing of a sudden), it effectively doesn't make sense.

But my point is that there was (with the PS2) and there is (with Stadia) the possibility of loosing your game library.

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