Thank you very much Feral!

Is it based on Vulkan? DX12, Metal, Vulkan would have been nice, but I could not find the information, so I guess not.

Nothing to loose asking. :)

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Quoting: Armand Raynal

Quoting: MohandevirI really do like Nvidia (I have a GTX960 4gb) but objectively, their products are more in the higher end of the spectrum. AMD is always cheaper and a little under Nvidia, when it comes to performances.

Nvidia is alone on the highest segments mostly because majority of consumers don't make thoughtful purchases.

On HD4000 and HD5000 AMD was ahead of nvidia(GTX460 being an exception), though that didn't made their market share skyrocket as it should have.

HD6000 et 7000 was on pair, but AMD had better prices for the same performance most of the time.

Nvidia is left alone on highest end products only since GTX 1070 & 1080.

Not surprising as card like GTX 960(not talking about GNU/Linux perf obviously), wich was awefully priced, still manage to sell well, while r9 285/380(x) had pretty unbeatable price/perf ratio and didn't had such success.

Or 780 & 780ti vs 290 & 290X. Nvidia sold a lot of those 780ti while 290(x)+third party cooler or customs 290(x) once they were out was the way to go. 100$-150$ more for +5% performance on launch day ? The - 10-15% less performance in 2015-2016 titles must taste bitter for those who wanted a card to keep for 2-4 or more years.

Quoting: Armand Raynal

Quoting: MohandevirI really do like Nvidia (I have a GTX960 4gb) but objectively, their products are more in the higher end of the spectrum. AMD is always cheaper and a little under Nvidia, when it comes to performances.

Nvidia is alone on the highest segments mostly because majority of consumers don't make thoughtful purchases.

On HD4000 and HD5000 AMD was ahead of nvidia(GTX460 being an exception), though that didn't made their market share skyrocket as it should have.

HD6000 et 7000 was on pair, but AMD had better prices for the same performance most of the time.

Nvidia is left alone on highest end products only since GTX 1070 & 1080.

Not surprising as card like GTX 960(not talking about GNU/Linux perf obviously), wich was awefully priced, still manage to sell well, while r9 285/380(x) had pretty unbeatable price/perf ratio and didn't had such success.

Or 780 & 780ti vs 290 & 290X. Nvidia sold a lot of those 780ti while 290(x)+third party cooler or customs 290(x) once they were out was the way to go. 100$-150$ more for +5% performance on launch day ? The - 10-15% less performance in 2015-2016 titles must taste bitter for those who wanted a card to keep for 2-4 or more years.

Not going to argue with you, a full priced GTX960 4gb is just too expensive (got mine for 220$, btw), but I was explicitely referring to Linux performances. I'd probably be using an AMD gpu still if it wasn't for the fact that AMD/ATI had problems with Linux when I converted myself to Linux. In my other life, I was using an ATI EAH-4670 512mb and it rocked! Couldn't say the same on Linux, unfortunately. After that, and I'm probably not the only one, I became hesitant to return to AMD.

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For my part, it proves that Valve needs AMD to create a new price bracket for the Steam Machines.

I really do like Nvidia (I have a GTX960 4gb) but objectively, their products are more in the higher end of the spectrum. AMD is always cheaper and a little under Nvidia, when it comes to performances.

This is probably one of the reasons why the original Steam Machines launch was so "underwelming". I wouldn't be surprise to see a "Steam Machine launch 2.0, VR Ready" when AMD will be all set.

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Linux VR along with a new version of SteamOS? Just a wishfull thinking. :)

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In fact, this week I converted 2 hardcore Win10 gamers to Linux because they're fed up with Win10 breaking everything at every updates. The anniversary upgrade was a disaster for both of them. I dare hope that these are not isolated occurances. :)

Edit: Typo.

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Was it a day one support?

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Mmmm... Interresting.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Deus-Ex-No-API-Comment [External Link]

Seems like Vulkan is not dismissed from the start...

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BioShock Remastered (1 &2) or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided?

Just my wish...

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Downloading it atm. Ready to roll!

Edit: It feels pretty solid. Just did a couple of goals in the tutorial. I think I'll like this game... Awesome!

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Quoting: Halifax

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: HalifaxAnd welcome to your indoctrination, son. If you don't come out understanding why you do hate Unity, we put you back in the Indoctrination Room and deny you protein until the brainwashing takes properly X-)

It's alright, I'm no fanboy of any desktop. Personnally, and considering that I have kids that usually screw up their DE, I prefer Unity. Else, I'm the first to admit that KDE is a really nice desktop. It's my second pick, in fact. You made your point clear and that is what I expected. My question was no trap or an excuse to start an argument. I finally have another point of view that doesn't use pure emotions and/or hate.

Edit: Personnally I use the search tool in the bash to find my apps (text entry), then I drag them in the shortcut bar. Voilà! I'm all set! I don't need more. ;)

Oh, come on now. You're not a Vulcan. We all have passions and things we hate - as a matter of fact, our emotions rule most of our lives, even the ones we consider "logically minded". If you don't love it, you have no business doing it or buying it.

> excuse to start an argument.

I like to argue a little. People come to a site like this for the debates and opinion easily as much as anything else, we're not Stack Exchange here :-)

For me, it's more about the productivity of said opinions and disagreements Linux groups tend to have more interesting disagreements than others.

I hear you on the practicality of Unity and using little tweaks here and there to make it more friendly. I did the same thing. I stuck with Unity and Ubuntu for about the first 8 months or so of getting into Linux for home PC.

But I distinctly remember some sort of joy I'd feel when I switched to using GNOME 3 (which was all brand new, and "KDE" was still just a three-letter combo that meant nothing). I'd go back to Unity and it wasn't there.

It took me a while to figure out what that little spark of satisfaction was. I finally realized, it's because there's no company with their own agenda between me and my desktop now, huh! I didn't even know that could be a thing, before. But it felt very refreshing getting out from under it.

EDIT:
And the only reason I started a more serious reply thread is you triggered a memory with your questioning of (to paraphrase) "why people hate Unity so much". It made me remember distinctly how I had the exact same question for many months after starting out using Ubuntu: why the hell do these old-timers hate Unity so much? Why are there all these other flavors of Ubuntu where the primary reason for the flavor is to ditch Unity?

No you are right, I'm not a Vulcan. Lol!

I must have badly expressed myself... What I mean is that when Unity first came out, I read comments that were showing anger and even rage against Unity. I had a hard time finding any objectivity in them. My natural reaction is: "Time out! This is a just a DE, if you don't like it, just change it." It's the "rage" that I've witnessed a couple of times that I don't understand. As an example, there is a difference between "I don't like Unity" and "Unity is dogshit!". When I read "agressive" comments like that, I can't help but wonder why? You made your point clear and I respect that. I don't have the same concerns that you have but Linux is like lego blocks; take what you like and leave what you don't. To me, this is it's most awesome feature. :)

Edit: FYI, I'm not a Linux power-user, but I started my Linux experiences with Kubuntu 7.04 (dualboot). Ubuntu 12.04 signed the end of Windows on all my home pcs. At the time, I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Linux Mint, Ubuntu-Mate, Ubuntu Gnome, Ubuntu-studio (nice distro) and Debian, up to 14.04 where I settled to Ubuntu Vanilla.

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