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Quoting: StoneColdSpiderKind of spooky..... We were just talking about something like this the other day........

Now let's see how much else of what we discussed shows up here. :grin:

Quoting: MohandevirLow cost, entry level handheld with SteamOS... Direct competitor to the Steam Deck... I was expecting a high end SteamOS based handheld... Would have made more sense, imo. Unless they aim to sell it where the Steam Deck is unavailable?

I'll be surprised if they are able to match the Steam Deck price brackets.

The high-end SteamOS handheld is the Steam Deck. Really, though, this makes perfect sense, but only assuming it's as low-cost as the literature so far implies. :smile:

The "Blue Ocean Strategy" has a term for this, and it's how all market disruption starts: "Crappy products for crappy customers.". That's not crappy as in low-quality, but rather "crappy" as in the big players in the market rejected them and refuse to cater to them even though there's a ready-made market just waiting to hand over their money (the fact that Linux gaming recently overtook Mac gaming, but we're still seeing companies refusing to support Linux whilst making large concessions for MacOS also plays into this).

The lack of certain features isn't a problem, either, for that reason - in fact, some more "Lite" options are likely to help adoption (as well as hopefully cover regions where the Steam Deck is not yet available).

That's one way to see it, I get your point, but what I meant its that I was expecting something in the performance range of the Ally, Legion Go or Claw, with SteamOS. Probably easier to justify the cost of such a device; No need to compete with the Steam Deck, in the low price range and might sell more than the 3 others because of the diffrent offering/better experience. It would have picked my interrest, at least. Just my two cents.

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Low cost, entry level handheld with SteamOS... Direct competitor to the Steam Deck... I was expecting a high end SteamOS based handheld... Would have made more sense, imo. Unless they aim to sell it where the Steam Deck is unavailable?

I'll be surprised if they are able to match the Steam Deck price brackets.

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Quoting: MohandevirDo we have any sales figures for these Windows handheld? Judging by the Steam hardware survey, they may be cannibilizing one another for a small fraction of the handheld market, leaving the Steam Deck untouched with the vast majority of that market. Not sure it would make sense to Microsoft to invest in a custom handheld os, if that's the case.

The estimates I've seen are that the Deck has sold its "multiple millions" and the Ally has sold ~500k - but they might have had 499,999 returns. None of these other devices have enough users to show up in the Steam Hardware Survey, but the Deck does.

The value to Microsoft isn't in hardware sales (just like it isn't for Valve); it's to say "Windows is a gaming OS, honest!" Same as for the DirectX-box.

No doubt, but with minimal investment up to this point. I don't know if they intend to change strategy, but hardware sales doesn't seem to be a reason to do so, yet.

Like you said, Xbox handheld make more sense. That's where they would probably invest, imo too.

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Quoting: lejimsterWith all these Windows handhelds being released I wonder how long it will be before Windows introduced a custom OS that competes with SteamOS

Do we have any sales figures for these Windows handheld? Judging by the Steam hardware survey, they may be cannibilizing one another for a small fraction of the handheld market, leaving the Steam Deck untouched with the vast majority of that market. Not sure it would make sense to Microsoft to invest in a custom handheld os, if that's the case.

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Might get tempted by the R5 5600gt or R7 5700, at some point. Let's see the benchmarks, but it could be a nice upgrade to replace my R5 3600.

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Take care Liam!

I wish you happy holidays and a happy new year. Let it be as much rest as possible and plenty of good times with friends and/or family.

Read you in 2024!

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Quoting: hardpenguin

'Until Morale Improves'

What kind of code name is this 🤣

Updates will continue until morale improves?

Probably a nudge to Tim Sweeney's "Fortnite on Steam Deck" news. :grin:

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On the fence between Spider-man: Miles Morales and Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves... Can't decide. 40% off, both of them.

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Sorry! Late to the party! First time sunshine user.

Got questions... Anyone been able to use a Steam Controller on such setup? It seems to be recognized as a mouse only (Android TV client).
I also read that sunshine supports AMD GPU... Is it working well with the RX 6000 series?

Edit: Just had a look at your PC Info... RX 7900 XTX and RX 6700 XT. Seems it works well with AMD GPU. :happy:

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Quoting: Liam DaweIt's really clear :)

I see what you just did! :grin:

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