Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

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Quoting: nenoroMeanwhile people who wait for the Division 2, wildlands (for co-op) and breakpoint

it's just a taunt from ubisoft.

Just a reminder Stadia uses linux but because Google showed the green paper and Ubisoft was attracted to it

Ubisoft... It's always about money, but it's even truer for them. If the Steam Deck becomes a huge success and it causes the thread to be filled with requests, they will surely have a serious look at it. I don't expect anything to happen before the release of the Steam Deck, though.

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Quoting: Liam DaweWhat this doesn't mean is Plasma is going to get "dumbed-down"

Are you talking to me? :grin:

Seriously, I was referring to SteamOS "custom KDE interface", from what I read, that might be dumbed-down (really look forward to see what Valve means by "custom KDE"). I don't expect stock KDE to be "dumbed-down", but sane defaults can't be a bad thing. I even proposed the idea of a "dumbed-down" fork of KDE, in the other thread:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/kde-developer-thinks-they-will-become-the-windows-or-android-of-the-foss-world/comment_id=214078

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Because what it tells me it's that if, at some point, it's possible to play all games on the Steam Deck (meaning third party launchers too) as simple as click install (no matter how it's done), we might see the Steam Deck eating into the Steam desktop market share, no matter the OS. In the long term, the Steam Deck might just replace a portion of the desktops that will have started to collect dust... Would it be bad?

Obviously it's only applicable for those that use their PCs exclusively for gaming and are interrested in the Steam Deck.

By the way, I dislike doing anything on my cell phone too, but sometimes, it's at arms reach and easier to pick up, just like the Steam Deck will probably be (only the arms reach and easier to pick up parts, I mean). :smile:

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But what I would like to know is how many people, in Steam user pool, are like me:

One computer for work, supplied by the company that hired them and a personnal gaming rig that is used only for that: gaming. Everything else is done on smartphones nowadays... My daughter has a Win10 laptop and it's barely used anymore. Little gaming, here and there and all else, from video editing to photos/photo editing is done on cell phone too... Similar for my son, except he's more of a gamer. Are we weird phenomenons?

I hear the eternal "photoshop gig" to explain why Linux is not catching up on the desktop, but is it still that much true? I have the feeling that we are in an era where the versatility of desktops is mainly exploited at work... Am I wrong to think so?

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Quoting: F.UltraNot really sure what ARM vs x86 have to do with the issue either since all Android apps are written in Java/Dalvik and not ARM anyway.

Imo, this is too technical for newcomers. What they want to know it's if it's going to run on their computer, plug & play style. Not what tech it uses. If the answer is yes, there is an hardware interrelation. If not, the chain is broken and they will stick to Windows. As simple as that.

Sure thing, if the Steam Deck is successfull and it doesn't translate into Linux desktop gain, nothing will. It's going to be a good indication, imo, that aside from tech savy users, Linux is best suited for dedicated hardware with single use mindset.

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirExcept you can't run Stadia or Stadia games locally, on any hardware. The hardware platform is not relevant, in this particular case. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

no you are not clear at all.
you tried to justify that android didnt helped the linux desktop because android is (mostly) arm devices...
but then you quoted stadia as if it was in the same category as android, and its not...

No. Don't try speaking on my behalf, you are totally wrong... Please read again my sentence in my first post. That's not how it's constructed. There is absolutely no mention of ARM in the whole Stadia sentence. You made a shortcut or misunderstood. Sorry.

Edit: The same category you are referring to is not "ARM"... It's "no interrelation with the desktop". That was my intent from the start.

Well you did write "You are comparing ARM hardware with x86... There is absolutely no hardware interrelations between them. Same for Stadia, there are no interrelations with the desktop", it's quite easy to be confused with the "Same for Stadia" that just followed the whole ARM vs x86.

Not really sure what ARM vs x86 have to do with the issue either since all Android apps are written in Java/Dalvik and not ARM anyway.

If Android influenced something, it's the adoption of Chromebooks. Is it possible to easily run Android apps on other Linux distributions, as in "for new Linux users"? Don't think so... Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

But I must admit that I could have changed paragraph, before talking about Stadia to mark the change of subject. Still the ";" marks the explanation to why there is no hardware interrelations.

Pretty semantic, that discussion. :wink:

But saying that I'm dishonnest is pretty far fetched.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirExcept you can't run Stadia or Stadia games locally, on any hardware. The hardware platform is not relevant, in this particular case. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

no you are not clear at all.
you tried to justify that android didnt helped the linux desktop because android is (mostly) arm devices...
but then you quoted stadia as if it was in the same category as android, and its not...

No. Don't try speaking on my behalf, you are totally wrong... Please read again my sentence in my first post. That's not how it's constructed. There is absolutely no mention of ARM in the whole Stadia sentence. You made a shortcut or misunderstood. Sorry.

Edit: The same category you are referring to is not "ARM"... It's "no interrelation with the desktop". That was my intent from the start.

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirYou are comparing ARM hardware with x86... There is absolutely no hardware interrelations between them. Same for Stadia, there are no interrelations with the desktop; you can't run stadia on any hardware. Steam, on the other hand... SteamOS is Steam Linux both on x86 platform. Proton works on both too... Same underlying tech... The link cannot be clearer.

except that Stadia IS x86

Except you can't run Stadia or Stadia games locally, on any hardware. The hardware platform is not relevant, in this particular case. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

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Quoting: GuestWhat I was more referring to was that the Deck won't replace anyone already using a laptop, or a desktop

Replace? No. Runnning alongside. Sure. Remember that the initial batch is for users who already have a valid Steam account, thus already have a gaming rig? 95% of the market is running Windows. Some of them might be tempted to use Linux (SteamOS) if the Steam Deck experience is great.

Quoting: Guest... but I don't see it driving GNU/Linux adoption...

Remember that there is already an uptick in Linux usage since Valve announced the Steam Deck? Look at the latest Steam hardware survey and the Steam Deck is not even released, yet.

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