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Quoting: subThe case looks rather cheap.
I thought they targeted a high quality finish...?

Can you really judge the case quality from those two grainy jpgs?

I dare to, yes.
You can see the uneven glossy plastic finish quite clear.
And that's usually not intended.
You typically see this on very, very low cost parts.

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Quoting: subI thought they targeted a high quality finish...?

If this thing gets done at all, it's a lot more than you could have expected.

I never considered buying one. :D

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The case looks rather cheap.
I thought they targeted a high quality finish...?

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Quoting: ShmerlPathfinder: Kingmaker [External Link] and Bard's Tale IV [External Link] have good discounts now too. Whole The Witcher [External Link] series is now also discounted a lot.

Also, good time get Morrowind [External Link] on sale for OpenMW.

Good price on Shadow Warrior [External Link] series too.

Wish I could buy some time as well. :/
Preferably, discounted too, ofc.

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I was just able to purchase a SC.

Today it said Limited quantities but the buy button was not greyed out.
The first attempt failed as it still said "Out of stock" late in the process,
when you have to enter your shipping address.
So this did not work and I basically gave up.

It was still in the cart because I forgot to remove.
I bought a game from the sale and left the SC in the cart.

This time it worked.
Take it with a grain of salt. I'm not sure this was pure luck
(maybe it's a statistical thing how they distribute the stock left)
or has really something to do with having something in the cart.

Good luck!

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Quoting: lectrodeDid Valve run out then find some more? Or maybe it's region specific...

Despite reports on here that there were no more controllers, I was able to get one for $5 ($15 after shipping) just now. The page for it still says "Limited stock available"

Here it says "Limited quantity remaining" but
"Out of stock" on the buy button.

Maybe they assign you to a certain logistics center depending on your location
and that stock is what counts?

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I missed the Steam Controller sale... :/

Any news on a new revision or is the Steam Controller history?

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: F.UltraWell that is what being outside the EU gets you (combined with being a small country)

Sounds unlikely. We're member of EEA, and have access to the inner market of EU. And absolutely everything else of hardware - including Vive who it looks like Index is based on (same base stations) - is here. But The Valve hardware specifically is not. I know of no other products in the same situation. Never heard of.

My guess is, Gabe traveled there once and also had food that poisoned him, so no Valve products for Norway!

Don't you have that delicious fermented fish?

That's us their friendly eastern neighbour of Sweden that have the famous fish (surströmming) that you can find in every "let's puke" video on the Internet :)

Doesn't Iceland also have a couple of weaponizable fish delicacies?

They have Hákarl which is a type of shark that they air dry for 5 months that are told to smell heavy of ammonia.

I found an old "review" comparing the two (since I have unfortunately never been to Iceland I have not tried the Hákarl) https://demislw.com/2014/03/09/its-a-fork-off-the-worlds-foulest-food/ [External Link].

Common mistake that foreigners do with Surströmming is that they open the can in the open, we Swedes always opens the can under water (in say a bucket or a filled bathtub) since it's highly explosive and you do not want pieces of the "sauce" anywhere since it's close to impossible to clean up.

I've heard of a case where some people wanted to prank newly-weds by placing an open can at a random location in their house while they where away on their honeymoon with the intent that they would go home and look for hours to find where that strange smell where coming from.

It all ended with these people having to pay the costs for a total renovation since there was no way to save furniture, wallpapers, carpets and so forth, everything was completely ruined.

This shit is not be played with :)

edit: I'm adding the conclusion from the "review" I linked to in case no one wants to read the whole thing (I do recommend that you do it though, it's a very fun and interesting read)

There is no reason for people to feel they need to eat Surströmming at all, ever, for any reason. If I had to chose between eating Hákarl every day of my life or eating Surströmming one more time, I would still go with the daily shark. It was horrible in so many more ways that Hákarl wasn’t. I walked away from the shark dish in November feeling like I’d touched the edge of the Universe, but in reality, I hadn’t come even close. This is by far the worst thing a human can ever eat. I’ve accidentally eaten dog-shit before – this was worse. I’ve accidentally sipped some urine that had been congealing in a plastic drink bottle for several months – this was worse (but only just – in a remarkably similar ball-park). Don’t try this, thinking it’s going to be cool. It’s not going to be cool trying something so gross. It’s going to be horrible. You are going to vomit. You are going to wish you’d never gotten yourself into this in the first place. There’s no silver-lining to the experience, apart from the thought that perhaps, eating it with Swedish locals, already fully tanked on very, very strong clear spirits, you’re just drunk enough that you keep more of it down than I did. Horrible. Words can’t describe it.

https://demislw.com/2014/03/09/its-a-fork-off-the-worlds-foulest-food [External Link]

Made my day. :D

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: F.UltraWell that is what being outside the EU gets you (combined with being a small country)

Sounds unlikely. We're member of EEA, and have access to the inner market of EU. And absolutely everything else of hardware - including Vive who it looks like Index is based on (same base stations) - is here. But The Valve hardware specifically is not. I know of no other products in the same situation. Never heard of.

My guess is, Gabe traveled there once and also had food that poisoned him, so no Valve products for Norway!

Don't you have that delicious fermented fish?

Back on topic.
You said you basically own all new VR headsets, right?

Is the higher price of the Index vs. the Vive / Oculus justified?
Or in other words, for someone only going for ONE VR kit,
would you say going for the Index is worth the price?

Thanks for your input! :)

I own the Original Vive, Vive Pro and Index. Each has it's pros/cons. Vive is nice because you can use a lesser GPU to get nice FPS. Vive Pro got a lot clearer, but I was running into issues with screen tearing. Turns out it was an issue with having G-Sync monitors, which I believe they have since fixed (I don't know, because I ended up getting the Index which didn't have the problem.)
Now here's where it gets a little muddled. The Index and the Vive Pro both have the same resolution. But there are some advantages to the Index in comfort, one they ditched the velcro method of holding the facemask on and instead have a cool magnetic one. The downside of course is that you have to currently buy those from Valve, but I do like it better than the sweat soaker that the HTC comes with, and you can buy third party fake leather ones that are pretty nice, though if you sweat a lot, you might want to use the sponge, since then it should prevent sweat from dripping into it.

Please also note that the Index uses LCD vs OLED, so while the screen door effect (which I never noticed until watching a movie, now I can't unnotice it...) is a lot less on the Index, the black levels are off, so everything kind of looks like the contrast is up too high. This isn't all that noticeable in video games, but in the virtual theater, it kind of is. Any games where you need to read, I'd suggest either the Vive Pro or Index. It was pretty much too fuzzy for me on the original Vive. It's clearest on the Index, but definitely a huge improvement over the original Vive with the Pro.

Onto the controllers. Index vs Vive wands. Now, almost all games out there support the vive wands. Not as many support the Index controllers, which is a shame. You can program them of course, much like the Steam controllers. But as far as future proofing goes, I'd get the Index ones even if you're getting a Vive setup. Also, I believe the 2.0 lighthouses are supposed to be more future proof as well.

Overall, price of them, I'd say get the Index. You're getting better resolution, better controllers, and the 2.0 hardware for a bit more than the original Vive, but far less than a full Vive Pro setup, which I think is still 1400? Plus you get the Half Life game for free :)

Thank you very much for that helpful and detailed insight. :)

I still have a DK2 that I can't use since years.
My desktop has a Phenom II that's not supported (anymore) by the Occulus RTE.
My notebook is also not supported anymore, as it is an (awful) Optimus system.
Yet, both configuration were indeed supported when the DK2 shipped.
And it worked fine. :)

Actually, I didn't want to buy a new VR system (which, in my case, also means a new PC).
But that HL:Alyx thing changed everything.
HL1+2 both meant truly outstanding gaming experiences to me.
And that trailer blew my mind.
I simply don't want to miss that one. :/

Not sure they'll have a good deal on the next Steam sale,
but I seriously consider to get the Index now...

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: F.UltraWell that is what being outside the EU gets you (combined with being a small country)

Sounds unlikely. We're member of EEA, and have access to the inner market of EU. And absolutely everything else of hardware - including Vive who it looks like Index is based on (same base stations) - is here. But The Valve hardware specifically is not. I know of no other products in the same situation. Never heard of.

My guess is, Gabe traveled there once and also had food that poisoned him, so no Valve products for Norway!

Don't you have that delicious fermented fish?

Back on topic.
You said you basically own all new VR headsets, right?

Is the higher price of the Index vs. the Vive / Oculus justified?
Or in other words, for someone only going for ONE VR kit,
would you say going for the Index is worth the price?

Thanks for your input! :)

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