I remember hearing of that project for the first time in ... 2004? :D
Amazing that it finally comes to an end.
And it was worth the wait.
Haven't played Xen but the stuff they release some years ago was top notch.

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: kaiman

Quoting: subNot sure about the legal situation in the US but here (Germany) I'm pretty sure,
that would be a contract that can't be single-sided cancelled in that way.

Not sure about the content of Valve's terms and conditions, but I would assume they say something like "the contract will be concluded by us shipping your order". At least I've seen verbiage to that point in plenty of German online stores. In which case you're not only out of luck, but also out of any possible recourse.

That said, I'm always baffled when companies don't manage to keep tabs on their inventory and either sell more than they have in stock, or keep selling stuff they've actually ran out of. Had that happen to me a couple of times, with shops both small and large. But life goes on ...

First off, life goes on, indeed. :)

Yet, terms and conditions have to be legal and conform to where you sell.
Thinking a big company like Valve is OFC always in good shape with their terms would be naive.
I want to see those terms "the contract will be concluded by us shipping your order".
I know terms like "the produce stays property of company xyz until delivered",
but that's a totally different thing.

The problem I see is that this case is legally covered by distortion of competition (not intentionally in the case for sure, but still - technically).
Make a very good offer - as it was in this case - attract customers and many of them will additionally buy other products. Then revert only that offer. WIN $$$.
I guess the simplified picture makes the problem clear and why EU considers this, among others, "unfair contract terms".
It was exactly like this in my case.
I bought a game with the SC and they just refunded the SC.
Not the whole purchase.

In the United States this tactic is known as "Bait and switch," and is illegal, but can be difficult to prove at times.

I don't think Valve is using this as a tactic here, but, yeah, it belongs to the same legal subject.

Thing is, it's just 13 EUR.
So not really worth going court.

Yet, it makes me angry that big companies often get away with that.
Like in this case.

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Quoting: PatolaWon't happen, not in any meaningful way. I doubt NVIDIA will ever allow their buyers to control their own property. They do not allow passthrough virtualization nor high-throughput video recording on their consumer products by purposeful disabling these features on them, letting them enabled only in their corporate GPUs. Example, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/e47rr7/ever_wanted_something_faster_than_xcomposite_or/ [External Link] -- just see how long that hack lasts.

Good point and very much this.

Locking the cards by not providing information, controlling the driver stack and restrict them to run only signed firmware is not a coincidence. Nvidia does this to diversify their silicons by software.
A true fully open software stack would simply undermine that endeavor.

Patola is right and it's that simple: Won't happen.

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Quoting: GuestInteresting. I think that earths polar caps will melt before NVIDIA open up their driver. But we'll see what happens in the next year.Maybe NVIDIA will give us a big surprise in conference and open up their driver code:) One can hope that.But in reality that doesn't happen easily. So my expectations are low...

I don't know why people often think Nvidia has to open up their blob in an effort to support the/an open source driver stack. This, indeed, won't probably ever happen for various reasons.

How about providing documentation and getting that ridiculous firmware situation out of the way?

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: GuestDid they refund the purchase to your bank account (if you paid via credit card for example), or just put the equivalent into the "steam wallet"?
The latter would be very bad form in my view, but of course depends on how it was paid for in the first place.

Were you getting a second/spare/whatever, or never had a steam controller to begin with?

It would have been my second one.
Bought the first ~ 3 years ago.

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Quoting: GuestDid they refund the purchase to your bank account (if you paid via credit card for example), or just put the equivalent into the "steam wallet"?
The latter would be very bad form in my view, but of course depends on how it was paid for in the first place.

Bank account.
Yeah, just turning it into a coupon would be outright fraud.

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Quoting: kaiman

Quoting: subNot sure about the legal situation in the US but here (Germany) I'm pretty sure,
that would be a contract that can't be single-sided cancelled in that way.

Not sure about the content of Valve's terms and conditions, but I would assume they say something like "the contract will be concluded by us shipping your order". At least I've seen verbiage to that point in plenty of German online stores. In which case you're not only out of luck, but also out of any possible recourse.

That said, I'm always baffled when companies don't manage to keep tabs on their inventory and either sell more than they have in stock, or keep selling stuff they've actually ran out of. Had that happen to me a couple of times, with shops both small and large. But life goes on ...

First off, life goes on, indeed. :)

Yet, terms and conditions have to be legal and conform to where you sell.
Thinking a big company like Valve is OFC always in good shape with their terms would be naive.
I want to see those terms "the contract will be concluded by us shipping your order".
I know terms like "the produce stays property of company xyz until delivered",
but that's a totally different thing.

The problem I see is that this case is legally covered by distortion of competition (not intentionally in the case for sure, but still - technically).
Make a very good offer - as it was in this case - attract customers and many of them will additionally buy other products. Then revert only that offer. WIN $$$.
I guess the simplified picture makes the problem clear and why EU considers this, among others, "unfair contract terms".
It was exactly like this in my case.
I bought a game with the SC and they just refunded the SC.
Not the whole purchase.

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Quoting: dpanterGreat little huge Sunday Funday roundup!
Guess I lucked out and got my SC order done quickly enough, Valve just sent me an email that it's being prepared for shipment.

Happy for you. :)

Yet, I'm a really angry at Valve.
Not sure about the legal situation in the US but here (Germany) I'm pretty sure,
that would be a contract that can't be single-sided cancelled in that way.
I'm particularly p*ssed about the communication (or better the lack of it).
I literally just got a notification that I got a refund.
That's all.

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Steam Autumn Sale:

Anyone else got his Steam Controller purchase cancelled?

Valve just sent me a refund right now without further explaining the case.

WTF?

(Sorry for the double post)

Edit: Okay (ofc) I'm not the only one ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/e3k2a9/steam_controller_shipping_status_cancelled/ [External Link]

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Anyone else got his Steam Controller purchase just cancelled?

Valve just sent me a refund right now without further explaining the case.

WTF?

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