Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: sigz

Quoting: Leflmmh too bad that only NVIDIA is supported, would get that even if its a horror game and im afraid of horror games

I think this situation is not going to change, AMD sales are dangerously declining these last months (less than 20% market this year instead of 50% last year)

People act like it's fault Nvidia's when we should be blaming AMD for not stepping up their game.

I guess it's not that easy.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: GuestGeneric all: Feral write their code to work with nvidia's blobs. They don't care beyond that. In doing so, they write code that has performace issues if you stick to the opengl spec, because of (bad) hacks in nvidia's blobs.
The game will likely run on AMD hardware, using fglrx, but Feral won't support it and won't tweak their code to work properly.
....which is all the fault of Feral. We should be pressuring them to up their game, not give them a free pass for mediocre work. My own opinion anyway.

Sure. That's how Alien: Isolation got into AMD's driver release notes. By Feral not working together with them.

Having looked through previous ports and talking to Feral directly, they do not code with AMD in mind. They code against nvidia blobs only. They might test later, but read back to where I talk about issues if you stick to the opengl spec. One in particular that I've seen should cause a GPU stall on all implementations, except it apparently does not with nvidia (due to a driver workaround). It then magically is blamed on AMD for being a problem.

This.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: GuestTesting with AMD, and writing things with AMD in mind originally, are entirely different. That cooperation you're talking about is likely testing only - i.e, Feral just hand over the game and ask AMD to take a look. Feral won't change their code to make it perform better with AMD, mostly because, I suspect, it'd require a re-write of their d3d translation layer to actually do things properly.

You've started with "Feral write their code to work with nvidia's blobs. They don't care beyond that.", which I consider proven wrong by AMD's release notes, Feral buying AMD GPUs and saying they are running all AMD drivers.
I consider the rest speculations ("likely", "suspect" ). I'd prefer facts from AMD and/or Feral and I choose to suspect that they are going for full support for AMD as well.

C'mon, you got his point, didn't you?

In case they really send AMD, mainly Nvidia optimized code, it's not what I consider "caring about AMD".

It's like providing math exams in a foreign language to pupils and concluding that they're not good at math.

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Quoting: GuestGeneric all: Feral write their code to work with nvidia's blobs. They don't care beyond that. In doing so, they write code that has performace issues if you stick to the opengl spec, because of (bad) hacks in nvidia's blobs.
The game will likely run on AMD hardware, using fglrx, but Feral won't support it and won't tweak their code to work properly.
....which is all the fault of Feral. We should be pressuring them to up their game, not give them a free pass for mediocre work. My own opinion anyway.

I fully agree and I still claim that it is just too easy for those companies to only optimize for Nvidia and not care (much) about AMD and get away with it.

Due to AMD's reputation, everyone and his dog will buy the argument that it is AMD's fault the game does not support their chips - even if there is a way to make it work way better. Ofc, this would require further work and, thus, man power. After all, "look at the small share of AMD users... compared to Nvidia".

It seems like most game ports only focus on Nvidia. Intensive testing of AMD hardware mostly happens afterwards. It should then not surprise that games do not perform well and are buggy.

Yes, it's speculation. Yet, I think it's very close...
Correct me if I'm wrong.

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You might say I'm to blame for buying an AMD card, but still:

Isn't it embarrassing that almost all AAA-titles
come with the note "AMD not supported"? :S:

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Great!

To convince more people in supporting him, he could release his generic
CRT simulation*, that allows to grab and work on the content of arbitrary windows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h72l_YsjL6Y [External Link]

However, this seems to be a PoC and works only for Windows.
I'm not sure this is (easily) possible for Linux at all...

I still think his CRT sim approach is the best I've seen so far.

[*] http://gamasutra.com/blogs/KylePittman/20150420/241442/CRT_Simulation_in_Super_Win_the_Game.php [External Link]

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Surprise, surprise!

Well, yes, there was holiday season.
And soon we'll have Xmas holidays...
(That's the usual argument from AMD representatives when progress seems very low).

But indeed it looks like they're only fixing very minor stuff.

I really hope that's due to bigger stuff they're working on in parallel.
Vulkan, etc.

If not... OMG, AMD

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Don't hold your breath. Please don't!

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I wonder who did?

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Quoting: melkemind

Quoting: KeyrockSaints Row 2 is a fantastic game, it's also notorious for being one of the worst PC ports. I wonder if the Linux port will be able to address some of the PC port issues, or at least incorporate or be compatible with some of the mods that try to fix some of the PC ports issues.

I was thinking the same thing. I actually played it on the Xbox 360 years ago because the PC version was so horrible, even though my hardware was stronger than the 360 at the time.

And now imagine that PC port wrapped by VP.

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Quoting: pete910Do we know who the porter is?

From the link we know at least that it's NOT Virtual Programming, Aspyr or Feral.

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