Quoting: PhiladelphusI could be wrong, of course; I'm not prescient, and don't particularly care either way. But that's how the situation reads to me. I don't think the obstacle to widespread adoption is "more people need to have a good VR experience", I think it's "VR needs to become (comparably) as convenient as sitting down at my computer and using the keyboard and mouse".

This is probably why most SF that features widespread VR envisions the VR as something that you sort of plug into and interact with on a direct brain-to-whatever interface, with no walking around in a space or waving your arms around or turning your physical body.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: scaineSo... is Proton experimental now based on Proton 8, or is it still at 7? I'm not sure how I'd check?

Edit - Based on this, it looks like it's still v7.

As mentioned, there will be an Experimental update later this week :)

Ah, but will it be a solid Experimental update or just an experimental Experimental update?

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Quoting: scaineI'd love to get into these games, but the AI just does my head in. Rimworld, Prison Architect, Oxygen Not Included, Rise to Ruins, man I've tried a lot of these, and they all have one problem - I'm not a very good god. Every single time, I get to some stage of the gameplay and I need one thing done immediately, or the colony will fail. One thing, or you all die. Stop what you're doing, and do this one thing. The thing is priority 9, chopping trees is priority 1. Why are you still chopping trees? And... you're dead. And that guy inside, cooking? He's dead. That clone running out of oxygen over there? Yep, dead.

I don't get why AI in these games is so frustrating. But it is, so I kind of gave up on them.

I have little experience of this kind of game, but I just played a little bit of The Wandering Village and I've been having exactly this kind of problem.
Which is a pity, because otherwise I'm enjoying it--I kind of like the big lummox dinosaur-ish thing your village is on the back of as it lumbers along, and I like the issues raised by the fact that the village is moving through terrain which can be useful or dangerous and you have to worry about the health and feeding of your source of mobility. But the whole bit where you can't just tell the villagers to work on THAT, that thing I want done now, is definitely a pain.

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But, but . . . ! This can't be real, I have it on good authority that the existence of Proton means no game studio will ever again be interested in native Linux development!

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Quoting: pbSettling Iceland sounds pretty boring tbh.

Gets exciting if you try to eat certain Icelandic food . . .
"Hey Bjorn, how did the shark's liver taste?"
Bjorn (dies)
"Hmmm . . . Olaf, I think ve better ferment it a few more months and try again!"

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Quoting: scainePretty sure that if you risk being arrested for using a product, you tend to be fairly finicky about what that product (Steam in this case) is reporting to some global HQ. So I'm with Ultra on that point.

Well, but it's a global HQ, not a Chinese HQ. And how likely are they to report people for insisting on being their customer and making them profit?

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Quoting: MangojuicedrinkerJust imagine seeing someone looking around at nothing for hours, in delusional world,

I do that all the time. I call it "reading a book". I think you're overreacting.

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Quoting: LEANIJAIt should be noted that this is not actually in development at Microsoft. This was a project at a hackathon by AndrewMT at MS in Sept. 2022 that didnt go anywhere.

"I started this hackathon project and it didn’t go much of anywhere, but this article uses wording to make it seem like it’s something under development. Problem is - We just didn’t have the right engineers to do a lot of what we wanted to do in the short hackathon project timeframe. Maybe this odd article can help me pitch this to Microsoft again. Phil Spencer was very nice and tried to drive me to some people that could help, but everyone was tied-up at the time."

more & source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12kjgkh/comment/jg3lsvm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Well, so much for that, then.

I was actually thinking to myself that the main reason not to be too worried about this is that I have doubts about Microsoft's ability to actually do it--not so much lack of technical capacity, although yeah, maybe, as lack of institutional ability to really deliver it. And here we are . . . seems they're not really doing it, because they're institutionally not able to pick up the ball and run with it.

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Quoting: GuestAnd let's admit it for once, it is a bit easier to use

Nah, I don't feel like admitting that for once.
Seriously, I use Linux at home, Windows at work, and recently tried briefly to use Windows for a very simple little box that was just for my wife to watch "TV" on, so all it had to do was run a browser. And my considered opinion is that Windows is a pain in the ass. It's just, because it's been so dominant for so long, Windows pain points, people have long learned to ignore and take for granted. Which means when Linux doesn't do those annoying things, that isn't seen as an actual improvement. But it is.
Windows is nagware. Even with just one program installed, it was constantly bitching at me. Do the updates, now! You should really make Edge your default browser! Your choice not to let us phone home with all your data was a bad one, don't you want to reconsider? This, that or the other completely irrelevant thing may be wrong somehow and you should acknowledge this even though we offer you no course of action to deal with it in any way! Popups, popups, popups, blah, blah, blah.
At work the Systems people keep most of this crap out of my way, bless 'em. Most, not all. On the other hand, we have Microsoft Fucking Teams, which ever since I was fooled into opening the application once now automatically opens every morning when I log in, and again any time I log in somewhere else, and last time I forgot to get rid of it I found everything crashing after a while.

With Linux (Mint, in my case) I can do something or watch something without constant BS. I like the Mint file manager better than the Windows one, too. Except changing file names, Windows does that well.

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Quoting: tohur

Quoting: scaineAnything half-assed will be inferior. But a good native port will outperform a good proton wrap any day simply because no translations are required. I have a beefy enough PC that I genuinely don't care (I'm "over myself") but there are plenty of gamers out there who will feel the pain from Proton's performance penalty, whether it's 5%, or 20%.

And that is the issue.. 99% of Linux ports are inferior and has been inferior from the start..

That seems a bit exaggerated. I have dozens of games; all except I think three are native. The three non-native I've had a bad time trying to use with Proton. Almost all the others work fine. Now I think my experience with Proton has been weird--clearly most people have a much better time. But my sample of native games is much bigger, and I haven't had trouble with any of them.

(Hmmm . . . I also have a couple of very old Dosbox games, so I guess those are non-native and they work OK)

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