Quoting: usernamerSo this is more of a workaround hack than a definitive solution.

Presumably the definitive solution is for Wayland to become very mature and for everyone to switch to it so nobody is using X or XWayland any more.

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Quoting: eldarionNightdive is a hit and miss company. On one end they do great remasters like System shock. On the other end they deliver garbage like their Blade Runner remaster.

It's also a company that is not providing a good fell on their first big project - System Shock Remake. The constant delays show me they are awefully bad on sticking with a clear roadmap. Really bad management.

Well, maybe Atari can help with that management stuff. (cue laughter)

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyOf course it was that they prioritized their time and chose to work on other things. That's kind of by definition; they decided not to do it basically == they decided to do other things instead. Doesn't make them right.

You don't get to have a say in how other people spend their time. Just like I don't have a say in what you're doing with your time.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyGiven the fairly basic nature of this feature, the fact that many desired it, and that most other desktop environments both on Linux and other OSes had it, ignoring it was a stupid decision. Their priorities were misplaced.

Making Free Software projects above criticism does them no favours.

If I thought I had a say in how you spend your time I could've pointed out that *you* didn't prioritize adding an icon grid to the file chooser either. And since Free Software projects is just people I must conclude that no one is above criticism. Based on that I could have criticized *you* for not prioritizing the icon grid. Would that make sense to you?

Based on your apparently radical relativist stance, your criticism would be as empty as everything else either of us have said, which would be as empty as anything anyone could say.
But there is little point in discussing the emptiness of all commentary with a radical relativist, so I will stop now.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy... so seems to me any excuses Gnome might make were probably . . . excuses.

It could just have been that they prioritized their time and choose to work on other things? Why would they have to make excuses for that?

The way you're framing this is so entitled. Free software is a privilege not a right.

Of course it was that they prioritized their time and chose to work on other things. That's kind of by definition; they decided not to do it basically == they decided to do other things instead. Doesn't make them right.
Given the fairly basic nature of this feature, the fact that many desired it, and that most other desktop environments both on Linux and other OSes had it, ignoring it was a stupid decision. Their priorities were misplaced.

Making Free Software projects above criticism does them no favours.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: mattiasb"As dumb as it sounds..."

This comment made me pretty disappointed.

Care to expand on why instead of making a drive-by comment like that?

I'll expand why it's dumb: it's such an incredibly basic feature for both usability and accessibility, that they said it themselves - was requested for years. It's dumb because it took so long.

It made me disappointed because I've gotten a better impression of you from your writing. Like, you're getting GNOME for free. I don't know how to explain myself better than that.

The reason for this feature taking so long was mostly technical to the best of my knowledge but I'd bet that a lack of developer time played a part as well btw.

They've had time to do lots of avant garde stuff. And, I use MATE, which was forked from Gnome and still uses GTK, and it has had that feature for as long as I've been using it. MATE is a smaller project, should have similar technical constraints, and they managed, so seems to me any excuses Gnome might make were probably . . . excuses.

It's done now, so water under the bridge I guess, but come on.

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Responsive smoke? Yes, well, I too hate it when my smoke is unresponsive.

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Looks at important shiny new improvement for Gnome.
. . . You mean, Gnome couldn't do that before?!

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Quoting: RelsreAs someone based in said city, this is groundbreaking. Over here we don't even have the choice of getting pre-built Linux x86 devices from the likes of Lenovo/Dell/HP

Man, no wonder there's so little Linux use over there.

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I don't hugely blame them or anything, but you gotta admit the situation just begs for the "Big Ambitions" related jokes people have been making.

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Quoting: mark348It works for now but will it in future?

For different values of "future", I can confidently say both "yes" and "no".

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