now, THIS! is what i call an video game! not those realistic graphics without any creativity.
(nothing against realism, its an different niche, but i miss the times of games like lunar pool, instead of pool games that change nothing but astetics, and so on for other genres)

its a shame that the soundtrack is so poor.

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speaking of the devil, i was just discussing about this right now on facebook.
what a tiny world

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i found this game by chance, looking at reddit, i didnt expect it to be promoted here so quickly

anyway, the game looks interesting

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did i forgot to mention that they disabled the comments?

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corona virus gave then the perfect excuse to abort the project

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https://youtu.be/v1wHGgt5BbI [External Link]

i just downloaded the video and saw frame by frame, there is doubt, it takes almost one second from the logo apearing on screen to the guy pressing the power button.

there is no doubt, its fake.

also, the app that he uses to play metal slug is an streaming app.

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things like this make me want to give up developing for linux...

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its just me or the image of the atari logo apear on the screen before he press the power button.

password... sigh
and on screen password...
sigh.

also, its just me or the first game its not on fullscreen...

netflix with an cursor, <facepalm> that is not how you make an ui, that reminds me of zelda cd-i
also, whats that notification on the top right...

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Quoting: SirLootALot1. My Point was, that it is a different thing and calling it exclusive misses that. If some developer/publisher just so happens to develop for a certain platform (and only that platform) there is no harm done. If a different platform is prohibited from being developed for the platform inevitably becomes worse due to not offering that game. Whether it is Nintendo or whoever else is besides the point.

2. My point was not a game not being on a certain platform will make it impossible from succeeding but rather will make it worse of a platform and therefore hinder it from being more competitive. To the downside of the platform and its users (therefore being anti-consumer)

3. Linux and mac exclusive Software can surely be a reason to use these OSs but the OSs themselves do offer benefits over Windows that would justify using them. However when talking about games there is little to no exclusives on those OSs.

4. If Linux is not an option for you wouldn't you like that supersoftware that would get people to use Linux to be on windows and Mac as well so you could use the software regardless of what OS you use and just choose the OS, that suits you best. Then it would just be a question of what OS is actually better, not what software can I use on that OS. and everyone can just choose the best OS for themselves.

5. A) I'd like to know where you got those numbers from. B) If Linux or any free and open source software would start with exclusives that would not be free and open source anymore as you wouldn't be able to freely change and redistribute it on e.g. Windows.

6. Currently it is exclusives that sell a console. The point was that it shouldn't be that way. A console should offer a better experience in other ways. Platforms should be competing on features, price, performance etc.

7. You mention that people stop using Linux due to a Lack of Software availability (games in particular). The point is games being exclusive to other platforms hurts Linux (and other competing platforms). If there were no exclusives Linux as a platform (and other platforms) would benefit.

8. Choose whatever platform/OS suits your needs best. If that is Windows, then use Windows. However Linux often suits people the best aside from one aspect. For many that aspect is gaming. Therefore I suggest not hindering Linux as a gaming platform with more exclusives and stick to the free and open source ideology.

1.you dont get it, did you? by making exclusives, you increase the number of users for the platform, by increase the number of users, you increase the the support from thirdy parties, and as an result, the platform become an beter and viable option for everyone.
And look at hat microsoft and sony are doing, they are relasing their exclusive titles for windows anyway.
temporary exclusives make no harm to the end user and solve the problem of lack of marketshare.

2.there will always be exclusives, the thing is, if didnt happen because one company paid for exclusivity, it will happen because the competition paid, its an utopy to think that no one will try, and even if that happens, what will happen is that the platform that has most of the users will get exclusives anyway, so what is the point of continuing this strategy?

3.so as long as they arent games, its ok?

4.yes except that i rather not, i rather not help an company like microsoft that sabotage their competition doing things like changing the user default browser, without consent from the same or from the browser vendor (not to mention the other things)
but looks like i dont have an choice here.
plus, i like linux, being able to customize stuff and so on, but its feels like too little compared to have more tools to create content, or modify games and so on.

5.
a)vg charts
b)except that , thats already happen, there are plenty of softwares that are easy to install in one distro, but almost impossible in another one, to the point of making people giving up on either the software or the distro.
i never was able to install openmortal on ubuntu for example. (not that i care that much, the game was bad, but still, its not freedom if we dont have standards, web standards allowed we to run any page, web game or web aplication in any browser from any vendor in any os, linux desktop on the other hand, the things often break backward compatibility wich means there is no guarantee of foward compatibility or compatibility with other distros)

6.it should, but other strategy dont work, making an mistake is being human, insist on it is madness.

7.but that will not change, it dont matter why its happening, what matter is its happening and what we can do to change that.

8.dual boot is too much of a headeach, life is too short to reboot.

finally, i would like to sugest another strategy that everyone will like:
if we cant have exclusives, we should instead, be the first ones to break exclusivity from other platforms.
in other words, lets joint the comunity arround an project like ps3 emulation, make sure we fund it more than the windows users fund, so the linux version will get more optimization and as an result, linux will be remembered as the number 2 place to play ps3 games (the number one, being ps3 itself)
that shall bring new users to linux, and they will fund it thenselves, so we could move foward for another project, like funding an dreamcast emulator, wiiu emulator, switch emulator and so on, making sure linux is aways the best option to play then, one by one.

either we do that, or there will be no hope.
stadia failed, steam machines failed, its time to give all we have in this strategy or give up.

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Quoting: GuestPeople losing patience with what is basically and early access product. The service hasn't even rolled out to everyone yet and people are whining. This is why gamers get the reputation they do.

I would be willing to bet cash that there will be new games added to coincide with the actual release of the service for anyone to sign up.

Really? the only reason we are accepting this shit is because we are comparing to what we have before: almost no triple A game at launch.

other people that used to have then instead of being treated as second class citizens wont swallow any shit that google throws at then just because its running linux or it can run on linux.

think about that:

they could have waited for the end of the beta test, but they didnt knew they would be beta testers.
they were the most loyal google fans and are being treated like shit.
google is famous for droping projects if they dont manage to be an sucess (and sucess in their metrics is having hundreds of millions of users, anything less than that and it simply dont worth to keep the project arround)
so people paid for an project, that they could just wait a bit more to get it for free (they would still have to buy the games, but not to sign unless they want to play in 4k)
they paid enough money to buy some extra games for other platforms, buy an new controller or join a little more to buy an console, and intead of being treated like vip, they are treated like shit.

google dont show any sign that he will not drop the project, everyone is losing their hopes, and the ones who want to believe, dont have any reason to think it will change, due to the lack of comunication from google and seen everyone arround give up on it.

most of google promisses were broken.

first: many people got an poor experience, the resolution dont matter when you are playing the game at minimum settings, with tons of input delay and in an unstable experience.

second: many of the promissed features were not there day 0, and google didnt give and preview on when they gonna be avaliable.

thirdy: the lack of games (2 months without any new one, they promissed many but didnt said if they would be indie or what, lack of supported devices (first they promissed any android device, then changed it to pixel only, promissed any pc running chrome changed that to chrome can only run on fullhd, promissed chromecast but it got too hot and it was only the chromecast bundled with this pack at launch, and without those devices they will not get the mainstream adoption that they need to create an sustainable experience for both developers and gamers)

not to mention you need and good unlimited connection to play it, not everyone has that, so its unlikely that the connection speed demand change in the near future and without that, it will not get the mainstream adoption that it needs to be sustainable.

playstation 4 sold one million of copies day in the first day of launch, that is what an sucess is like, selling that faster no developer would ignore that platform, and as an result more gamers could buy it knowing they would be able to play any triple A game that they want this gen.

compare that to stadia that already offer an worse experience than ps4 base (not to mention the pro), dont have the portability that an switch has (i mean, good luck with your mobile connection and data plan and only if you have a pixel)

and even if we accept things like that, google would have no reason to improve, so the things would be left the way they are.
google is not an small company that has to launch an beta before they make money to make the final product.
and linux not having many games in the past is not an excuse, bsd has 0 games yet ps4 has all, the first playstation came from 0 to hundreds of games at launch, and gamers purchased it so fast that the ones who did had the best support from developers (they had a lot of options to play)
they came out of nothing to everything quite quick, there is no room for small companies in this market anymore, if google dont act like the big companie they are, if they then selves dont believe in the product, why should we? or the other people that know nothing about linux, nor care?

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Quoting: SirLootALotIf a game is developed for only one platform it is not an exclusive. It becomes exclusive at the point where an agreement is done with whoever to exclude a certain platform from development.

for all intents and purposes, it dont matter, many games that we think on then as being nintendo games, arent developed by nintendo.
pokémon is actually made by gamefreak who owns one third of it.
some zelda games for gameboy where developed by capcom.
and in the end of the day, it dont matter why an game is exclusive, whats matter is the fact it is.

Quoting: SirLootALotIt is one thing to not care about a platform. Actively hindering that platform to prosper is a different thing.

it dont prevent the platform from being an sucess, sony counter attack nintendo exclusives with their own exclusives or exclusivity deals, the same goes for microsoft.
that is the only strategy that works.

Quoting: SirLootALotAlso I do not agree with your statement on Windows becoming the only gaming platform without exclusives. Yes Exclusives sell consoles. Without exclusives consoles would have to offer another benefit over the PC. If they can not do that they would die (rightfully so). However Linux and MacOS have been around without attention from game developers and do obviously offer a meaningful benefit for the user over Windows,

macOS have exclusives developed by apple or in exclusivity deals.
linux exclusives came mostly due to then not being able to exist on windows, since microsoft control some parts of it like explorer and dont allow alternatives for it.
even if linux had no advantage or exclusives some people would use it anyway due to ideology rather than pragmaticy.

its impossible to kill linux economically because it dont rely only on money to survive, even if all companies stop donating for it, it could rely on volunteers, but the same cant be said about almost anything.
and its not an matter of existing, sure linux may be an viable alternative for a few people, but for most people, its not really an option.
if i need an certain software to survive, and due to the low marketshare, its not worth for the company to develop such software for linux, linux is not an option for me.
if we had exclusives, the ony software that we might need to survive and not have, would be the ones developed by ms, apple or that had exclusivity deals by then.

we are 26 years without any significant growth, its time to learn that this strategy dont works, gamecube had more users than linux ever had (on desktop) in just 4~6 years, and its still considered an failure, ps2 had exclusives and all the most relevant games from its generation, it had more than 150 millions of users and reach this market in only 5~8 years.
just imagine if we had that + wine.

"consoles would have to offer another benefit over the PC."
software is what sells, gamecube was stronger than ps2, it didnt matter, ps2 sold more.
everyone says linux is better than windows, it dont matter, people will keep using windows.

honestly, the reason why linux dont grow isnt that people dont give it an try, it is because they give it an try and either hate it (due to the lack of games and softwares), or love it, but give up on using it due to the lack of games and software.

many games that were exclusives for xbox or playstation are being ported to windows now, its only proves that an temporary exclusive is enough, but without even that, we have no chance.

honestly, i my self am almost giving up and going back to windows, if valve nor google prove they can make the market change in favor of linux, i will just quit wasting my time and go back to where i can play the games i want.
i dont mind hold my breath for a few years to see the linux year, i waited ten years for that, but i will not hold in vain, and that is the same case for everyone.
linux is not growing not because there arent new users, but because for every new user we have, some one else goes back to windows.
and i dont want to be one of then, but ideology is the only reason holding me back, and it was proven over and over again that this ideology will change nothing.

there are still many games that i waited ten years to play on wine and still cant play, and this will never change with the things they way they are.

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