Makes me wonder if Xbox will make an entry and compete directly against Nintendo Switch in the next few years.

i dont know why quote is broken but...

i think microsoft might try an vaporware.
promissing more than they can deliver, just to kill interest in the competition as they did with kinect, then once the competition is dead, they relase something just to say they did, or not even that, because they dont need anymore.
hopefully that strategy will fail.

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Quoting: elmapulhonestly im tired of people suming up kadokawa as from software owners...
they are like... 1/3 of the anime industry? their gaming marketshare isnt even comparable.
if we consider that sony already own other anime companies and they own the biggest distributors of anime outside of japan (crunchroll and the former funimation that joined crunchroll)
this is a big monopoly!

Yep. Not just anime, manga, and games.

They're a big behemoth of light novel publishing.
Saekano, Re:Zero, Konosuba, almost all big hit light novel are their release.

Dwango's NicoNicoDouga (Japanese streaming platform) is also owned by them.

Their global presence also widespread, from Phoenix Gramedia (Indonesia), Bookwalker Taiwan, Anime News Network, Yes Press, Guangzhou Tianwen Kadokawa A&C, Kadokawa Gempak Starz (Malaysia), and so on.

Even all of these notable manga label/magazine are from them. I'm sure majority of you might not recognize these, but you might already read or even watch anime/live action adaptation from these label. ( even majority of "manga reader" only know Shueisha's Shonen Jump lol).

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when i said anime and manga, i implied light novels as well, its kinda of tiresome to type it all so i simplified a bit for... lazyness or because i forgot.

HOLYSHIT, they own niconico too? that alone is a reason for concern, we are REALLY screwed

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honestly im tired of people suming up kadokawa as from software owners...
they are like... 1/3 of the anime industry? their gaming marketshare isnt even comparable.
if we consider that sony already own other anime companies and they own the biggest distributors of anime outside of japan (crunchroll and the former funimation that joined crunchroll)
this is a big monopoly!

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Quoting: constRegarding your "XBox could just allow windows games" argument - hard no, they can't. Imagine all XBox users suddenly need to look up Xbox equivalent of ProtonDB to check GameXs compatibility state.

they dont need to run the game, but they might need something akin to playable/verified to know it the user experience is designed for the living room.

Quoting: constSteamDeck has shown there is more to running a game on a console applience then binary compatibility and not even that is guaranteed.

sure but we still dont know the numbers, other than more than 1 million and likely more than their competition.

Quoting: constOpenGL and Vulkan games exist and we are still talking console hardware and OS. Also MS doesn't care about Windows and if they loose the walled garden on XBox, why would they care for that any more. Doesn't make sense for them. And it would also meen Steam on XBox, so who would have won that fight? :D

why wouldnt microsoft care about windows? it makes then tons of money, xbox making more money than windows is a new thing, not the expected behavior and no guarantee that things will stay like that.

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its amusing to see that people can still create unique/original ideas despite the many years that this industry have.

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i wonder if those refurbished models arent an excuse to sell the same product for different prices (i mean, if some of those are actually new) , so they can sell for both the market wich is willing to pay more and the market wich cant afford more.

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hopefully we can finally have speatch synth on linux, eSpeak sucks and the solutions based on ai might be good (never tested) but are tricky to configure/install.

i hope valve can also fix speach recognition and... they open source their solutions for both.
its trick to do that in one language, let alone all of then...

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Quoting: constPS5 has 813 games. Foremont + SteamController2 will certainly let you play games you couldn't play on any other console like device, unless you build one yourself. The PC ecosystem has huge advantages over traditional walled garden console ecosystems and console exclusives are less of an issue then ever before.
It could also once again be a device for game developers to target, this time for PCVR performance, which could give PCVR a big boost.

on paper, the steamdeck is better than the switch on every aspect, it could even emulate switch... in pratice, nintendo sell much more than the deck, so no, being a better product is not enough, it never was.

sure its a bit different on home consoles, because they cant afford to make exclusives anymore, they are porting to pc mostly because the cost of production of games is too expensive to keep then locked to a platform, yet i feel that if sony have to chose between help an competitor or not, they will chose not to, they will delay the port to pc or stop it altogheter and valve already comited to not making exclusives.
it may be sound crazy, but taking an cut of 30% of every game sold on playstation is more profitable than porting their games to pc, and pc was a different market, pc gamers were unlikely to move so it didnt affected playstation sales in the past, it will be different with a home console from valve, not to mention that now that pc gamers know sony exclusives, some of then might like it enough to purchase an playstation in case the game sequels stop coming to pc.

Quoting: constWith the SteamDeck, Valve tricked traditional economics of scale by taking the risk of preordering a huge chunk of APUs. That worked damn well for them, so why would they not do it again? My guess is foremont will be a lot cheaper then a Laptop or ready made microPC with similar performance.

pre ordering,sure, but if they cant sell then, this preorder will be a big loss of revenue for valve.
sony can preorder and keep lowering the cost of production over the generation due to the massive sales, then they can cut the price if nescessary and invest tons of money for the next generation.

valve ould compete with the switch in terms of power, but switch was over 7 years old and never bet in power, i doubt valve can do it again against sony and specially microsoft that can do tons of dumping.

as for the steam console having a big library, for microsoft its not a problem, then can flip a switch and allow windows games to run on xbox, they just dont want to accept other stores, but they can do better deals of revenue split to entice more people to "port" their games, and accept every other store but steam.

not to mention, bigger library didnt translated into sales for the deck over the switch so this might repeat against playstation.

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Quoting: ElectricPrismI think they will approach the market with this same modesty and probing it will reveal at least millions of sales if the price is able to be competitive.

i dont think so.
the hardware need to be good, and if they cant have the economics of scale that sony and microsoft have, i doubt they can make a competitive hardware for a competitive price.

not to mention, steamdeck had a lot of games that you couldnt play on the go on switch or anywhere else, the same cant be said about an living room device.

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Quoting: Craggles086Valve has proved to a mass market that their idea works with the SteamDeck.

Consumers should be a lot less sceptical about what a Steam Console without windows is capable of, Proton has now proven itself capable and has been accepted as such for anything outside the anti-cheat MMO’s.

Now if they can only get the pricing right, as they did on the SteamDeck then we have a gaming computer that can play the majority of PC games, and is priced competitively with building your own PC. Also functions well as a console. Whole different story to the first Steam Machines.

I would say it will only work if Valve are producing the hardware themselves but would love to be proved wrong.

i dont think the issue was the fact that steam machines run on top of linux, playstation run on top of bsd (wich had less games than linux, outside of the console) and yet, no one cared about, because it had games and the marketing of the games noticed the fact that its avaliable on playstation, the marketing of playstation quoted the games you can play on it, and it had exclusives.

no one cares what operating system an hardware have, so longas they know there is content they want there (or the content they want is there)

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