Quoting: Mountain ManWhat an interesting development. I can see why Linux/SteamOS would be attractive to developers of handheld gaming devices because, first of all, Windows is not at all well suited for low-powered, portable hardware, and second, Linux/SteamOS is free, so no "corporate tax" to ship a device with a pre-installed operating system. And with Proton, Windows gamers will not have to give up a large chunk of their Steam library, and what games they do have to give up will be considered an acceptable trade-off because handheld gaming is almost thought of as a different genre, and people naturally do not expect to be able to play every game they can play on their desktop.

not to mention, they can make their own store on it, and use the fact that many stores dont support linux as an double edge sword that the blades cure instead of harm:
if companies like epic, gog, ubisoft refuse to port their launchers, then its good for then, because they will face less competition for users of those devices.
on the other hand if those companies port their launchers and support linux, their devices get more appealing!

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lol they are implying emulators...
[update]
he is implying copyright ownership

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WOW, this is gold, pure gold, i didnt saw the title, i guessed they going to put SteamOS on it, and was happy with that, but when i saw the video, holyshit! they not only are developing their own system but they trash talked windows! this is big!

now i got to the part that disapoint me, telemetry, they going to install local installed games to suggest games? can i opt out of this?

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Quoting: StoneColdSpiderYeah Proton is great at the moment..... but what if there are managment changes at Valve or Valve gets sold and they decide to scrap proton all together in the future???

here is the thing, its not like if we are chosing between having those games supporting linux natively or via proton.
the choice is proton or nothing most of the time.

when valve anounced the steam machines, we started to have some momentum in linux, the same way as it happens when any console is announced, take wiiU for instance, at the begining it had support from thirdy party vendors, but they gave up supporting it once they realized it gonna flop, nintendo tried to save it, but it was not enough.

the same goes for any platform, windows phone, psvita, dont matter!
you have to build momentum and keep it, otherwise the marketshare shrink, and so does the thirdy party support.
valve failed to sell steam machines, failed to gain support from most companies, a few game engines started supporting linux, a lot of indie companies and a few triple A but that was far from enough.

the options was either do the proton thing, or let linux shrink to an position equal or worse than it was before valve tried to push this market, hell it would even be tainted as: if valve cant do it, no one can! who else would dare to try?

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderPoint being is that there is no guarantee that Proton will be around in the future..... which is why native support is important.....

if valve decide to scrap proton in the future, we still would have everything that proton did for us+wine, but valve didnt invested in proton, there would be no future to begin with.
with proton, either we will be dependent on it to run games forever with fewer and fewer titles going native or the marketshare will increase enough to make developers treat linux as frist class citizen.
without proton, we were geting less and less games over time and even titles that had support in the past were removing it support.

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderAnd as for the Steam Deck increasing Linux marketshare by any significant margin well that depends on how many people install Windows on it..... I would actually like to see the number of Decks that ended up getting Windows installed on them in a year or so...... i doubt we will ever see those number but that would be very interesting data to look at......

if most people do that, then that kinda prove the point that, its possible to convince people to learn how to install another operating system and do the process, what was preventing linux from growing was never that most people dont know how to install, but they dont see any advantage in doing so.
if valve try to push this and fail, then it was just an naive dream that we once had but now we wake up.
if valve simply give up due to an change of leadership (eg: gabe newell die and the succession dont see future on linux) then we could only hope that someone else try in the future, but the future would look darker than black.

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Quoting: StoneColdSpiderThis is going to happen more and more as Proton gets better and better..... Greedy/lazy publishers will use Proton to lower costs as they dont need to make a dedicated Linux port and still get a slice of the Linux user pie.....

Im not saying this is what happened here as it seems they got blindsided by a service provider... but between this and ARK: Survival Evolved you can see where the future is heading.....

what difference it makes if the games run fine? hell, even mods might have an better cross platform compatibility, how is that any different from using multiplatform apis like openGL on windows instead of directx?
i know, its not the same thing, but if steamdeck increasse our marketshare, it wont make a difference our support will be first class no matter if native or proton.
hell proton already gave us better perfomance than native in a few titles.

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Quoting: alka.setzerWell, the Armello developer already had a different version just for GOG.
And in case isn't this why we have Proton? We no longer need native builds, translation overheads and coding for the one true platform (windows, x86[-64] and directx) is easier than solving platform quirks and there is no need to support anything other than Windows (and I'm not even sure if publishers/developers are required to solve problems whenever the issue is while running under Proton).

because they dont want to fix it if anything breaks on wine.
plus we have an history of harrassing developers who call their wrapper (wine/virtual programing) version an native build.

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i think we should investigade another code paradigms just like clickteam did with the games factory back in the day (the same UI that construct and gdevelop use)

something like scratch, blueprints from unreal, or something entirely new should be better on a device like this.

take dreams for playstation4, for isntance, or Toy-Con Garage from nintendo switch labo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DleXxy_QJvM [External Link]

imagine something like this specific tailored for steam deck.

or... an keyboard using all the inputs (we almost have one button for each key)

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once i tried to figure out, if it was possible to do an game that could be comercially viable up to a few years ago, recently using construct on a phone, the test?
making flappy birds.
after a few minutes, the conclusion:
yeahp, definitelly possible.

considering that flappy birds was a huge sucess in 2013 in the same year that we had ps3 on the market and just a few months before the launch of ps4...

imagine what is possible with an steam deck!
theere are always stories of poor people (or people who live in poor countries) and used a phone as their only computer, but learned to code and got an better life, imagine how many people might have steam deck as their first and only machines, but get an better life from that starting point.

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i want some keyboard with 10+ extra keys.
not kidding.

the main issue is that i probably wont be able to afford the keyboard+importing

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as they found "players can automatically generate and install programs that access downloadable content without paying for it".

in other words, mods...

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