Quoting: KohlyKohlI think people are more used to subscriptions and since Stadia leans more towards buying individual games that could explain why it isn't doing so great.

Being able to play a large collection of games versus a small number of games is just so much more appealing to me.

yes, people are willing to pay for subscriptions of an *SMALL library of games (imagine an big one), subs dont remove the option of purchasing the game elsehwere so the lack of games isnt a big problem unless you plan to count on the streaming as your only option, and those who do rightnow are casual enough to not care about playing every game out there, they want to play no matter what, instead of playing something very specific.

but the point is not just that... ok i forgot what i was going to say...

*by small i dont mean having 100~300 games avaliable to play is a small thing, i mean that compared to the ammount of games that exists, the libraries on stadia and luna are small.

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i forgot to mention, i saw an video sometime ago discussing if linux was the reason why stadia was strugling to grow, they gathered some data about the topic and came to the conclusion that only 1 game was avaliable on luna but couldnt run on any linux device or something like that, so the answer was: NO, stadia using linux didnt explain why amazon and xcloud were more sucessfull than it.

so the lack of games on linux was not the main issue, and now with amazon investing on linux...

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well that is kinda off great news, i mean, amazon has TONS of money, and they will be spending part of this money into improving wine/proton, instead of licencing windows? this is HUGE! (actually they will probably do both for some time)

as for Valve entering the cloud gaming business i dont think they have enough money to host servers, they wouldnt be doing the economics of scale nescessary for this type of service, unlike google, amazon and ms wich already have most their infrastructure in place for other services and just need to add some video cards, and can rent the un used processing power to others who need it.

valve could hold it on thirdy party servers but... look at who are the big 3 in that space:
Google, Amazon and Microsoft! i dont think they can compete with their own hosting for the best service/infra structure.

speaking of it, that is one of the reasons why amazon might be migrating to linux in the first place, developing an in-house operating system based on linux and using all the effort valve has made to break free of the windows depence looks like an much better option than paying royalites to an competitor that control the code of their own product and might better optimize it for their own infra structure, and especially if you do have money to actually compete.

i just hope cloud gaming remain as an sustainable niche rather completely die or completely kill local gaming.

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Quoting: Nocifer"Standard disclaimer to avoid being branded a pirate" detected :P

.

me? i dont care i would proudly hold the label, i dont trust the industry to distibute anime since the 4kids was a thing, and i gonna pirate what is legally avaliable, pirating everything else is the next logical step, but i purchase a lot of things to, either due to lazyness to pirate or to promote what i think worth being supported.

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Quoting: elmapuli mean, i remember when i was trying to instal palib on linux, i dont remember if it had an linux version that i couldnt install or what, but installing on windows was already hard enough (you had to setup an enviroment variable, first time that i saw this term on an windows context), now imagine if i tried to install the windows version on linux back then...
google it "how to setup an windows variable on windows on linux"
or better "how to setup an windows enviroment variable on wine"

its an issue to specific and google might return 0 results, or tons of results for windows but only a few for linux if you dig deep enough, or maybe no one has ever tried.
now multiply that for every game you try to pirate.

regardless of what you think about piracy, this is an major issue that we have to solve if we want linux to become popular, most gamers dont purchase everything, many test drive the pirated version to know if its worth purchasing.

First result for "Wine environment variables"

https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_User%27s_Guide#Setting_Windows.2FDOS_environment_variables [External Link]

Either way, as most cracks requires replacing an exe or dll file, as long as the user can figure out where is located the wine prefix the steps for Windows should be the same for Linux.

And worth to mention: using a crack used to be the only way to play some legally owned games on Linux in the past.

it has been a long time since i tried this enviroment variable thing, so maybe things have changed.
anyway it was an random example, but you are right, you have to know where are the dlls, and hope that the cracked game is not an instaler that dont work on wine for some reandom reason, otherwise good luck extracting the content and manually instaling it =p

speaking of it, a few years ago adobe was creating an hiden partition on the HDD to hide their drm checks there, that was causing trouble for people who install linux on dualboot, i wonder if an game do anything like that and if so, how to dodge this =p

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MayeulCDisgusting...

Quoting: elmapulnow we have better android emulators on windows than on linux, microsoft is making windows run android games and even google is trying to do the same.

Oh, waydroid works relatively well. And there's interest in it thanks to the linux-on-mobiles effort (pinephone, librem5 etc).

define works, i heard the same about some emulator but never was able to find any app that it was capable of runing (not that it would matter to find an app if the ones i need dont work anyway)

To make sure, I just installed it trough the AUR (I'm already running a zen kernel). Installed F-Droid, checked that supertuxkart worked (I'm getting in-game, but don't have touch), then as I thought you might not be satisfied, I downloaded the Aurora store from F-Droid, then Excel and power point from there. Seems to work fine, although it's a bit fiddly and not well-integrated (I don't have a desktop environment, just sway, so that's not too bad, I guess a DE could integrate better). Microsoft's apps require me to sign in to create a new file so I just downloaded one from there [External Link].

It looks like the Android UI assumes it works fullscreen. I can't really blame it. Permission mapping could be better too.

I didn't find an app that doesn't work, but then even on my phone I only use apps from F-Droid. Obviously I expect low-level apps like wifi analyzer, miracast, etc to be mostly broken for now.

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maybe those emulators require some processor instructions to work, and i dont have then...
i cant remember the games i was trying to run, can you test pokemon tcg online?

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that remind me of a thing...

pirating games on linux is harder, some times you have to do a bunch of steps on windows to crack an game, and the tutorials simply dont translate well to an linux enviroment.

i mean, i remember when i was trying to instal palib on linux, i dont remember if it had an linux version that i couldnt install or what, but installing on windows was already hard enough (you had to setup an enviroment variable, first time that i saw this term on an windows context), now imagine if i tried to install the windows version on linux back then...
google it "how to setup an windows variable on windows on linux"
or better "how to setup an windows enviroment variable on wine"

its an issue to specific and google might return 0 results, or tons of results for windows but only a few for linux if you dig deep enough, or maybe no one has ever tried.
now multiply that for every game you try to pirate.

regardless of what you think about piracy, this is an major issue that we have to solve if we want linux to become popular, most gamers dont purchase everything, many test drive the pirated version to know if its worth purchasing.

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Quoting: LoftyBut you said yourself, you can choose to run anticheat or not.

i can chose IF the option is even there, what im trying to say is that having the option avaliable is better than not having, because if we dont have, not only i have to accept using the anti cheat but i have to accept using windows, and doing so will give control to microsoft that they will use to gain more and more control over their users.

let me try to explain with other words.

Quoting: LoftyFree software also encourages the application of free speech it isn't just about games but communication platforms themselves"

you are assuming that people are coming from valuing their freedom first, then geting something good as result later, the issue is, that isnt how most people think.

think about it, if you say to someone;
"you should give up on listen to musics because mp3 is evil, watching videos because mp3 and mp4, dvd etc are evil formats, give up on playing games because most of then only run on proprietary formats, also give up on making your own music, movies, games, chating with friends etc, because you cant do none of that in an free operating system right now, but you might be able to in the future"
do you think that person will love linux and freedom? hell no, they will think free software is shit and can only produce shit.

the reason why i started using and caring about linux was:
i got tons of virus on windows (an problem that dont exist anymore) losing my files countless times and being constantly afraid of losing the ability to use my computer (it helps nothing that my cd burnder didnt worked, pendrives and cloud storage didnt existed back then)
i grew tired of the computer geting slower over time, constalty crashing into BSOD etc.
i skiped xp, vista was too heavy to my brand new computer making it slower than the previous one a few months after the purchase and i didnt had money for another, vista broke backward compatibility with some hardwares like my printer and softwares like the game engine that i used (and probably some of the games made on it) and windows was the only system capable of runing those meaning that if microsoft ditch backward compatibility, we would lose the preservation of those games.
microsoft did some ransomware bullshit with office, among other crap moves...
and while all those bad things were happening on one side, i tried this linux stuff out of curiosity without expecting much and was surprised.
i didnt expected my video card to work but the naive me thought i knew enough code to write an video driver, so i decided to test this "hoby os" only to get surprised on how well things worked.
there were a few issues like instaling "ugly" codecs and stuff, but the system was much faster, stable and didnt had enough marketshare to worry about virus, the first game i tested on wine worked, and i didnt knew that only got luck picking an game that worked on wine on my first try, then i realized all those softwares arround me were open source, even the firefox that i was alredy familiarized with on windows, and starting loving and supporting the cause.
then later on i started learning that not all softwares were really free, like the drivers and firmwares and stuff, but at least i saw the potential.

currently the zeitgeist is "linux sucks" that is what everyone thinks, we need to change that, we need to show to people that linux can do everything windows can (or most of it, everything they care about) then when people see that linux is not just an utopy but an real thing, we can convince then to fight for more freedom.

first we show stuff like blender and what it can do, then we say "It is free software, it was developed in such model" and point to other softwares and say "It can reach the same potential if we support it" not the other way arround.

currently almost no game support linux and we have to wast tons of resources making stuff like wine/proton, resources that could be better spent creating new tech if we had the marketshare to not need wine anymore.
then even with wine/proton, people have to give up a lot of games to use linux, wich make most of then come back to windows.
then we have to convince a ton of people skeptical about this free software development model, that DRM is bad, anti cheat is bad etc, where they dont have anything to compare against, dont know about any better development model than proprietary software, they think: "that is how things are, and cant be anything else"
sigh.

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Quoting: MayeulCDisgusting...

Quoting: elmapulnow we have better android emulators on windows than on linux, microsoft is making windows run android games and even google is trying to do the same.

Oh, waydroid works relatively well. And there's interest in it thanks to the linux-on-mobiles effort (pinephone, librem5 etc).

define works, i heard the same about some emulator but never was able to find any app that it was capable of runing (not that it would matter to find an app if the ones i need dont work anyway)

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Quoting: LoftyWe can talk about market share, accessibility & compatibility all day long but the fact of the matter is, most anti-cheat is becoming essentially spyware bordering on malware. It's antithetical to what Linux is all about.
Linux is the equivalent to an open break away social-society running in parallel to a walled off industrial civilization. Trying to forge the two works for a while, but as ever it's either going to be 'EEE' or just simply the last 'E'.

that time i gonna reply something else other than the reply to my own comment lol.

i think discussing anti cheat is a bit of a null point.
sure we shouldnt sacrifice freedom, but we can avoid DRM and anti cheat systems by geting informed on what games are using those techs and avoiding any game that use then.
the issue is: what about everyone else?

think about it: what do you prefer, everybody using linux, most of then not caring about issues like DRM and anti cheat systems running on their machines.

or everybody using windows most of then not caring about issues like DRM and anti cheat systems running on their machines?

if we cant get ride of all the layers at one, at least we should get ride of some of then.
nowadays there are a bunch of games that we cant play even if they dont even use DRM or anti cheat systems, and that was the case for most of the time in the past.

at least on linux privacy is an option, you are free to not install those games that spy on you or do other malicious behaviors, on windows even that isnt an option, the OS itself spy on you.

honestly i'm tired of this all or nothing aproach, if i have to wait one more year to play certain games, then i might as well go back to windows to never look back.

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