Wow, another bunch of hardware supporting proprietary platforms: Making "Linux" just a little bit more feeling like closed-in systems? No thank you. :D

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Well another game with Unity and telemetry tracking ... hurray? :D

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Quoting: g000hOne little detail I feel like bringing up about Linux gamers: WINE compatibility layer.

It seems to me that plenty of Linux people who play games are not sticking to Linux to do it.

Some boot up consoles to play console-specific games (e.g. Horizon Zero Dawn on Sony PS4)
Some boot up to Windows to play Windows-specific games (e.g. Player Unknown Battlegrounds)
Some play Windows games via WINE on Linux (e.g. Witcher 3 or Skyrim)

My problem with the above is that it isn't helping Linux gain traction. All those Linux users, who play the above non-Linux games are bringing the Linux percentage down. It's not so big a deal if the game isn't sending usage analytics back to the game publisher or back to Steam, but when it is, then it is making Linux userbase smaller than it actually occupies. (i.e. If that Linux user was playing a Linux game instead of a Windows / WINE / console game.)

My feeling is that Linux user percentage worldwide could be as high as 3 to 4 percent. And, that userbase would play more games on Linux, if those games were available on Linux.

Well, always kind of interesting reading WINE-bashing: You've recognized that WINE exactly is running under Linux? And therefore you can use it to play older titles, which won't get any native binaries or porting? And what's the opposite? Renting "games" using a complete proprietary platform? (STEAM) Just because some native games are there it is not getting better. What's next? Getting Linux to another unixoid clone of Windows? Because that is going to happen when the majority is taking "control" and the part of freedom will be gone. :whistle:

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Please not another proprietary package with protected firmware-blobs. Make it really free like the older integrated chipsets! Everything else is really more of the same paradigm and not needed at all from my point of view - not looking after people trying to make just unixoid copy of "Windows" out of their installed distribution.

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Well? For a "dead" project PlayOnLinux releases even continous new versions of WINE, static built. But hey, the "dead" seems to live longer?

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Well it is interesting how some users always think they can discuss the positions of "Open-Source"! The project has released its files for being viewed by the public but depends on a complete unfree component. That's the difference to other engine-recreations like OpenMW. And that's also the difference why this project can only be called "opened" but NOT "Open-Source" or even "libre".

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Well, everything within is just only available throughout proprietary Steam? No, thanks.

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Well sounds nice, but that should be an Indie-title or some older game where people are willing to share the source-code. Any other really big title won't be ported and it is just unrealistic as people here doing some "The bigger, the better!"-wishing. Perhaps Legend of Grimrock 2, Shadow Warrior 2 or a port of the Dark-engine used for the Thief-series?

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Well, what to say? Oh yes: Praising just more proprietary platforms helps, of course for a system based on user's freedom. :P

Being thankful for what exactly? The business decision from Steam / Valve? The half-hearted lie GOG is going to tell the user? No DRM? Very bad jokes and not the best arguments for a bright future. But yes: It's possible to praise that. Making every Linux-distribution to another copy of known paradigma.

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Quoting: LeopardIf the one is in Linux gaming more than one year , should've learned by now to not believing promises or kickstarters when it comes to Linux.

Anyway , i looked up to his profile and it seems he is dual booting so my mistake.

But i must say that : I'm not agreeing with that kind of happiness at all. If Wine gaming really becomes a thing , we would never see in house ports or official supports.
Developers will be like : " They're doing fine with Wine , why should i bother with official Linux support?"

And sadly ; Wine usage is becoming a piracy tool. Check out Wine forums. There are so much people which asking running ETS2 on Wine , Total War Attila in Wine , CiV VI in Wine. When you say; that game is available on Linux they're not responding at all.

Wine = Sacred place for pirated Windows games on Linux , without virus or malware threat.

Also it seems John Carmack was true about his Linux gaming thoughts.

Sacred place for pirated Windows games on Linux? Any proof? Or better to ask: How do you run classic games like System Shock 2? Ultima 9? Interested in your thoughts, but to say it from the start: You should rethink, not everyone pirate a game. Usually people got the classics at home and want to run them. By telling this phrase you put everyone on the same level as some "pirate". And just to note: Even though a pirate is not a bad person. You write this down as it is something really bad. It's an individual decicision. It is not okay, for sure. And it is also a crime in most countries. But before generalization you should take a closer look. ;)

Or we do it the other way and begin implementing a port. Would be nice to have the DARK-engine for example running native under Linux. Until this day: I'll do this with Wine! And take new games without DRM by giving the developers money for this as I've done already for the classics. Stereotypes? Not a good idea. But hey? That's your decision.

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