Quoting: supashangWhat the mod doesn't seem to understand is that many people ignore indies and go straight for the over-hyped AAA for their gaming fix. Totally missing out on gems such as "Kerbal Space Program", "Don't Starve", "Runner 2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien", "Path of Exile", "Dust: An Elysian Tai"... need I go on? And this is not just a Linux problem, which is why I had to underscore my point to liamdawe since he seems hell bent on avoiding the truth that there is fun to be had in the indie scene too, whether he likes it or not over his XCOM hardon. He seems more happy arguing for AAA as the saviour of SteamOS/Boxes. Completely not what I am arguing against.

That mod actually owns this website, just a little background info for you if you didn't already know ;)

Having a number of indie gems doesn't suddenly make Steam Machines more likely to be sold. I don't think AAA games are a saviour either, but I know for a fact they push numbers, and anyone who argues against that really doesn't understand what they are talking about.

Quoting: supashang

Quoting: liamdaweYou obviously don't get what I'm trying to say: I'm a prime example of the people who wouldn't go out and buy one usually because of the lack of AAA games, but I am already invested in Linux obviously.

Yeah, because Eldritch is on the same level, and the same genre, right..

You're amusing bro.

I see you still have a little growing up to do hey liamdawe? You are intentionally misrepresenting my original argument in favour of your own "AAA will save our Steam Boxes!" while thumbing down indie titles as a source of fun gaming, which was my original argument you didn't get!

I actually used to enjoy frequenting this site, if only to see what games are coming to Linux. But after witnessing first hand that you are nothing more than a butt hurt man child, who condescends sarcastically to fellow Linux gamer/devs expressing a perfectly reasonable opinion - I think it's time to move on. Congrats "bro!" I'm done here.

No, you are stating your argument, I am stating mine. This is what is known as a debate.

I am clearly winning said debate with you now stooping down to a personal attack, such things are not welcome here.

I gave you a clear warning PM a moment ago for taking this attitude against me into another completely unrelated article, now I will publicly tell you to cool down or risk the ban hammer.

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Quoting: ellieferal

Quoting: liamdaweSadly, it's too early for me so I won't be able to watch it. Hopefully they will have a VOD available at a later date so I can see how they handle it.

No worries Liam, we'll make a Best Bits video just for you. (And everyone else, possibly.)

Hooray, the downsides of children eh.

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Quoting: supashang

Quoting: liamdaweI use myself as a prime example of this

Tells me to think outside of my own box, then uses an argument of his own personal gaming experience with AAA as justification of "thinking outside ones personal box"! Seriously?

Quoting: liamdaweNo, I know exactly what you said.

No, I'm sorry, I beg to disagree. See you when you get there. You know, when you decide to play "Eldritch" over "Alien: Isolation"...

You obviously don't get what I'm trying to say: I'm a prime example of the people who wouldn't go out and buy one usually because of the lack of AAA games, but I am already invested in Linux obviously.

Yeah, because Eldritch is on the same level, and the same genre, right..

You're amusing bro.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: psppwner300

Quoting: Graham Smith“Don’t launch in Early Access if you can’t afford to develop with very few or no sales.” I imagine that, if followed, this guideline would cut down on the number of games released through the service by about 95%.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If I don't misread this, these rules are not from Rock, Paper, Shotgun, but have been set by Valve.
Now developers only need to obey to them...

I don't know who wrote those rules, but I think it is Valve since it's quoted.

I somewhat agree, some games are really cool where the developer obviously can't live off it. I wouldn't want them to vanish, but some level of curating needs to be done.

Valve added community curators, like our page, but it doesn't stop the problem at all.

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Quoting: supashangObviously from your reply you think that I'm a Indie only fan and failed to understand the gist of my argument.
I never said that SteamOS doesn't need AAA gaming titles to be a success - I was trying to make the point that having AAA titles doesn't necessarily mean that you are guaranteed to have fun playing.

No, I know exactly what you said. I'm simply pointing out because you're having fun with indie games, it doesn't mean the vast majority will. Indie games for the most part still sell far less, and have far less of a push than the bigger budget games.

I use myself as a prime example of this, I don't put all that much time into indie games often, but I put tons of hours into the bigger games. XCOM for example is one of the highest hours playtime I have on any game (all of which are under Linux I should add).

Quoting: supashangMost AAA games that arrive on Linux are months after they have arrived on Windows anyway, which means that only new people to gaming and Steam will experience AAA titles as a success for the Linux platform.
Case in point, how many people bought and played "Witcher 2", "Alien: Isolation" or "Shadow or Mordor" on Windows months/years before they arrived on Linux? I know I did.
By the time those titles arrived on Linux many people had completed them on Windows anyway. Where is the incentive to play them again just because it feels fluffy to now have them in your Steam Linux library? Is that going to make SteamOS a success?!
You know I'm right, but can you admit it?

Where did I say anything about having delayed AAA games was a good thing? Why wouldn't I "admit it" as you phrased it that having same-day release was important? In fact I'm sure I've said it plenty of times that a same-day release is excellent and needs to happen more.

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Quoting: supashangI'm sorry, but people need to understand that AAA games does not mean "must have for best gaming experience". I've had more fun playing Indie games on my Linux steam library lately than I have on any AAA (except Skyrim) that I have in my AAA Windows library. I shouldn't need to mention how many AA titles have been a complete disaster after launch on Windows. Indie FTW.

The problem here is what you're happy with, isn't what others are happy with.

Niche indie games won't push Steam Machines to be a major success, we do need the bigger AAA games. You may not think so, but all reviews so far have noted the lack of them as a downside, many users won't switch due to not having them available, etc.

You need to think outside of your own personal box.

Otherwise, we are destined to be the 1% forever.

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Quoting: Nel

Quoting: liamdaweQuestion: Would people prefer this all in one page, instead of a break to page two?

Don't care.

Quoting: liamdaweIs 20 enough, or would you want more?

Enough, even if I see only 15 right now.

Quoting: liamdaweShould we keep the pictures, or stick to links?

yeah pictures! :)

You're right, there is only 15 which is odd. I will make sure it's fixed for next month which should have some very interesting high articles after the SM release.

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Question: Would people prefer this all in one page, instead of a break to page two?

Is 20 enough, or would you want more?

Should we keep the pictures, or stick to links?

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Quoting: Farmboy0There seems to be a line missing after the heading About Banished

Fixed.

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Quoting: Seegras

Quoting: FireDartI also bought Alien: Isolation on humble with the Windows icon since it was $12 instead of $24 on Steam but redeemed the key on steam while on a Linux client. I wonder if they still count it as Linux?

Apparently, Steam counts that platform on which the game is played most within the first 7 days of buying it:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/how-steam-computes-linux-sales.4675/

See my previous comments, that's only for direct Steam sales, keys purchased from outside are different. Keys are set for platforms.

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