Samsai linked me this video in the IRC to show just how bad it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lofR-R_rFJ0 [External Link]

I really hope they have fixed it up, and not just added in new content.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: GuestIs it still a wine wrapper?

The first words in the title of this article are "Native Linux Build", so no, it's not a wine wrapper. :)

Someone skimmed over the title, and the content of the article...that's weird.

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For those who didn't see it, some people were discussing it in the forum.

I look forward to seeing what people can do!

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Quoting: GuestNot sure how I feel about all this...on the one hand, Valve need to have something to standardise against (their collection of libs known as the steam runtime), but on the other hand I would prefer not to have Valve dictate what game developers must compile against in order to sell their games, and what my own system must run just so that I can buy some games.
I also find some situational irony in that the steam runtime itself actually has a lot of problems on my chosen distro. libgcc and libstdc++ I have to regularly remove just to run things.

Valve have needed to standardise something for a while, I see this as a step in the right direction for anyone using Steam on Linux. Things were a mess before, and now a little less so.

Did you report all your bugs to their github?

Quoting: GuestI think, on the whole, I'd prefer a SteamOS icon (showing testing against their runtime), and a Tux icon (available for GNU/Linux). Guess we'll see where all this goes.

I would also like to see this, but then it would further show that they are different. You might end up in a situation with people only then supporting SteamOS.

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Quoting: MaelraneHow is that - in any way - making things clearer? Many games obviously ran on good on Linux, some even great. Now they removed an icon because it has additional dependencies?.

If it doesn't run against just the Steam Runtime, and needs you to hunt down extra's they won't allow the SteamOS icon. That's pretty crystal clear to me.

Quoting: MaelraneGuess what, a Java game (for example) has an additional dependency on Windows as well, namely Java.

How would you install Java (or anything other outside lib) on SteamOS with a Steam Controller? You don't. It would require adding in a mouse and keyboard, going to desktop mode and generally not a good experience.

Quoting: MaelraneSo how does removing the icon help anybody? New customers will think that a game is only supported on Windows (or Windows and MacOS for that matter), while it is perfectly runnable natively under Linux...

How can one defend that stupid practice? It's like starting to act before you even thought about what you want to achieve.

It stops complaints about games not working on SteamOS that claim they support them, and thus makes SteamOS and Linux gaming in general look better to everyone. It will be much nicer for everyone, even in desktop Linux land, since any game advertising SteamOS should work across all distributions without needing to hunt down anything.

Quoting: MaelraneThey should have - from the very beginning - added a Linux and a SteamOS icon separately. Because, let's face it: Even though there are exceptions, most people that use Linux, know what they are doing, at least in non-developing countries where money is not a problem and every PC comes with a Windows-license anyway.

Yes, they should do something about the icons.

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Updated: Added in reply from StarMade developer.

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Quoting: XzylI develop on AMD and Intel mesa stack, if it works well there it damn well better work great amd and nvidia proprietary.

"If you argue that nvidia has the bigger marketshare... well, why are we even here then? Windows has the bigger marketshare (on the desktop that is weisenheimer!), so why even bother with Linux-porting at all?"

I maybe wrong, but if I am wrong, why is it people like Liam didn't seem to know how to use the ~ to indicate home? I bet the vast majority of the users here spend as little time in a terminal as possible and probably don't use any of the benefits Linux actually has to offer. I think it's more of a dislike of Windows than a love of *nix that most people are here and they want to play games on their new found platform and I honestly can't blame them they just want them to work. Sadly nvidia offers the better experience, of course much of this is coding for their broken GL implementation explicitly then blaming AMD when it doesn't work on their drivers but whatever.

You're probably thinking of my UT post with the dirty launcher, I am fully aware of what ~ is, but it didn't work correctly when I tried, so I didn't include it in the article. And yes, i don't like Windows, I don't use what most people think are the advantages of being on Linux. I just want a free OS to play with and tinker, but why is this argument in here that's nothing to do with the article :p

As for marketshare stuff, developers go for Nvidia first on Windows just as much as they do on Linux.

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I think it would also be a nice idea for the Tux icon to sit next to the SteamOS icon too. I don't know how much work that would involve though, they could leave it to developers to tick either, or both, but then that's open to abuse if it only works on desktop Linux I guess.

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Quoting: KeyrockI imagine there will be growing pains in the first few months, as with all new hardware. Heck, it's not even officially out yet. We're pioneers, trailblazers, intrepid explorers creating a path for future generations to follow, just like Lewis & Clark, Vasco de Gama, Ferdinand Magellan, and Zheng He.

Okay, that last part might be overblown a bit, just slightly, though. :P

Yeah, you're all making sure I don't have things to rant about here when I get mine ;)

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Thanks, added to the list, and added some more thoughts to the article.

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