The problem with comparing Steam Machines to Xbone and PS4 is that Valve's platform isn't just SteamOS. It's Steam as a whole, and that platform spans multiple operating systems and hardware. It wouldn't be fair to only talk about one Android phone vendor and compare it to Apple's iPhone as a platform when Google is looking at the big Android picture with all the different phones under a single platform. They wouldn't call it a failure because some new Android phone vendor has a small market share. Similarly, Steam as a gaming platform is hugely successful, and its Linux arm is just another extension of it, one that Valve undoubtedly hopes to grow.

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My kids love LEGO games, but I told them about this one, and they were like, "meh". On the other hand, my little one keeps asking for LEGO Worlds even though she already has Minecraft and a bunch of other building games.

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I think we need to separate the issues here, even though they're related. On the one hand, gaming on Linux has never been better, and it will probably continue to get better. For Linux gamers, this is a dream come true.

On the other hand, for Valve, they stink pretty badly at PR and don't communicate well with their customers. For the people who have used Steam for years, they probably know that. For someone new to the scene looking to buy a Steam machine and use SteamOS as an alternative to an Xbox One or PS4, they will likely be disappointed.

For Windows PC gamers, they just laugh at the poor performance and low number of games. But since that is likely to improve, it's possible some of them will come around, especially if they're loyal Steam users.

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Quoting: InverseTelecineMeh. I totally understand why everyone would be disappointed about this, but I can't convince myself to care because my Internet connection can't handle games. But even setting that aside, am I the only one who sees far less value in online-only multi-player games? I play a lot of single player games from 5+ (sometimes 10+) years ago because I don't have a lot of time for games and there is always a huge backlog of games I want to play. But online-multiplayer games seem doomed to be played for a while and then drop off the face of the earth, never to be played again because either the players abandoned the servers and there's nobody to play with or the company abandoned the servers and the game literally can't be played. I might move soon so my Internet issue might be fixed, but I do not expect my feelings on the low value of online multiplayer-only games to change.

I agree with your points about multiplayer games. I only have the time and desire to play singleplayer for the most part. Rocket League, however, has singleplayer as well. It also has local multiplayer split-screen, which my kids love.

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Quoting: CorbenBut it feels a bit like the drive of games on Linux has worn a bit off. The "news" about Linux games being delayed, canceled or don't get updates seem to increase. Even where we expected to get a Linux version, because either it would be very easy to port (Engine supports natively Linux or is OpenGL) or the previous games of that series got Linux versions, don't get any port. Or is that just my impression?

A lot of last year's promises for Linux games were based on the hype surrounding Steam Machines and SteamOS. It's pretty clear now that Valve botched their Steam Machines debut, so I wouldn't be surprised if some publishers are just cautiously taking a few steps back (or perhaps even abandoning the idea altogether).

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Quoting: dmantione

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Quoting: dmantioneVolition now have a relation with Virtual Programming, so it would not make a lot of sense that Feral would do such a port.

I don’t think Volition had anything to do with the Linux ports; Saints Row was published by Deep Silver

Volition didn't do the work, but comments on the Steam forums indicate that people from Volition and Virtual Programming are in close contact with each other. Based on what I read there I also conclude that Volition and not the publishers own the rights to these games.

Volition developed Saints Row and Red Faction games, but when the publisher, THQ, went belly-up, they sold off the rights of Saints Row to Deep Silver and sold Red Faction rights to Nordic Games. Nordic promised a lot of Linux ports like Darksiders, which they have yet to deliver. I even saw Red Faction: Guerrilla mentioned once, but they seem incapable of following through.

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I love how their installation instructions for Linux are so much shorter than Windows and Mac. Either Linux is that much easier, or they think Linux users are smarter (maybe both). :D

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Quoting: CimerydFun that they got it to work, but I'd rather use my PS4 as a PS4 and my computer as the home for Linux. It's the same reason I'd never install Linux on a Mac. It works better than expected, but the software is the only reason to pay such a high price for the hardware, and if you replace the software, you've just bought an overpriced PC.

Even with the Mac software, you've still bought an overpriced PC. :huh:

Also, it looked like they booted into Linux from within the PS4 interface, meaning both OSes were still installed.

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Quoting: seb24I have the same experience ^^. The first time pirates defeated me :D . And the second time an Isolationist Empire came with a 17K fleet against my 5K Fleet...

That sounds suspicious. What did you do to piss off the isolationist empire? :)

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Quoting: GuestI spent about 11 hours last Sunday playing this game.

And here I was scolding myself for playing 4 hours in one day. Now, when a family member asks, I'll just say, "Hey, at least I didn't pull a posmunk." :D

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