Quoting: RouhollahSo, someone said steam deck is not a plug and play experience because you have to use compatibility options and beta proton builds. Well wait a few days and you don't have to do any of that stuff. And anything else, the verified program is clear what you can play so nobody is lying about steam deck capabilities.

Yeah, you literally have a list of 'These will just work' 'these may take a little work' 'you're on your own' and 'these are currently busted'. All you need for the plug and play experience is to leave it at the default of 'verified'. Of which I think I have like 380~ games.

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Quoting: foobrewI spent the last few weeks trying so, so hard to play OpenMW but I finally had to throw in the towel. I just can't play for more than about 10 min without getting extreme motion sickness. I consistently have frame rates around 100 and also tried many FOV settings from very low to very high all to no avail. I don't know exactly what changed or when with more modern FPS games but I do remember mostly hating FPS games from the old days due to how badly they'd all trigger my motion sickness. It's something which I rarely experience on modern FPS's and have, apparently, taken for granted.

The only thing which actually helped was switching to 3rd person. Unfortunately, MW just can can't be played in an enjoyable manner that way. It just wasn't designed for it and so things like fighting or trying to select items is very difficult and not fun. Travelling around in 3rd person is mostly fine but still gets to me after a while. A real bummer since the game is deep and runs so flawlessly and fast on Linux.

I have a friend who is the same way. Usually turning off any sort of head bob would help. For the most part he could sometimes handle slower paced games like Raven Shield. But most would make him want to yack. One thing he said also helped was taking dramamine, which is a pill for motion sickness.

I still wonder how he would handle VR.

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I maintain it won't be available to download and install anywhere intil 4.0.

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Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Lycurgus87

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Lycurgus87Mate you are tiny bit condescending
(snip)
Or the other options again..the tree over there.

You're condescending, says the guy who told me to climb back to the nearest tree.
But I wasn't. I am a tiny bit now: The point went over your head. The point was, there are lots of branches of knowledge that can make claims that if you don't have them you are inferior. It is rare for the claims to be valid; claims about the arts or political economy or DIY home maintenance are no more/less valid than your claim that if I don't want to learn computers I should return to the apes. Do you get it now?

Yes there are lot of branch of knowledge and you don't need to know all but...and this is a big but, usually you don't need to know all that because you don't want to use it.

BUT if you want to use something you have to learn it. ...

I used to think like you, opposing simplifications to computer software (or as I would have called it, stupidification) when I was young, because "you need to know exactly how computers work, otherwise you lose your smartness". Some bs like that.

I was wrong, and hope you can take this chance to learn this well.

Just because you have to use it, doesn't mean you need to understand it. You in particular may be smart and curious and capable and willing to understand, which is a great thing. Most people however are either incapable or unwilling to learn about everything.

And please understand that this sort of talk also drives people away (don't get defensive please, and appreciate the feedback), so be mindful of the effect of your statements on people who are showing an interest in Linux.

BUT (a big capitalized but), people should at least have a knowledge of how a tool they use works, right? Like you want to give some preliminary rules on how to use a soldering iron "Don't touch these parts when it's heated, or you will get nicely burned" or firearms, "don't point a gun at a person ever, even if you're sure it's unloaded." etc. Sure a computer generally won't burn you or cost someone their lives, but it never hurts and only helps to learn something about a tool before you use it.

Now while some people concentrate on the wrong things 'You need to know how to compile your own kernel!' isn't the depth we're talking about, but 'this is how you launch your Sudoku game' level of learning, and so many people don't even know that. I think this is the level some need to know about. And in this day and age, there is some actual harm that can befall people who are too ignorant to do simple things like 'run updates', or 'don't click on shady things that we warn you about!' as there can be financial, reputational, etc damage.

So yeah, for sure people should learn something about a tool before trying to use it.

Misunderstanding here. The original comment that instigated this discussion claimed that users should know how to disable snaps, switch repos and some such things.

Definitely not something I would ever teach to or expect my parents to have to learn for instance.

Ha, disable snaps... or 'install Mint/pop_os that uses the same base, but removes snaps for you...' I know what I would choose.

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Quoting: tgurr

Quoting: slaapliedjeSo when are we going to find a Deck verified multiplayer game we can do co-op in? Something like Left4dead!

There are actually quite a few co-op games listed as at least playable already, like Back 4 Blood, Deep Rock Galactic, 7 Days to Die, Satisfactory. Payday 2 for example is even marked as verified. I guess since Warframe is explicitly mentioned in the SteamOS 3.2 release notes it is supposed to work as well (no mentions on the store page yet). Note I didn't actually test any of them myself on the Deck yet, however except for Back 4 Blood I played all of them for quite some hours under Linux on the Desktop where they all worked great for me.

Yeah, I was suggesting that we have a 'Deck-together' session and play some games :)

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So when are we going to find a Deck verified multiplayer game we can do co-op in? Something like Left4dead!

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Quoting: akselmoStunning! I lost my saves recently due to switching from Kubuntu to Fedora, so I suppose it's time to start it all over again.. With shinies! :)

This is why I always have a separate /home partition... also make backups!

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Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Lycurgus87

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Lycurgus87Mate you are tiny bit condescending
(snip)
Or the other options again..the tree over there.

You're condescending, says the guy who told me to climb back to the nearest tree.
But I wasn't. I am a tiny bit now: The point went over your head. The point was, there are lots of branches of knowledge that can make claims that if you don't have them you are inferior. It is rare for the claims to be valid; claims about the arts or political economy or DIY home maintenance are no more/less valid than your claim that if I don't want to learn computers I should return to the apes. Do you get it now?

Yes there are lot of branch of knowledge and you don't need to know all but...and this is a big but, usually you don't need to know all that because you don't want to use it.

BUT if you want to use something you have to learn it. ...

I used to think like you, opposing simplifications to computer software (or as I would have called it, stupidification) when I was young, because "you need to know exactly how computers work, otherwise you lose your smartness". Some bs like that.

I was wrong, and hope you can take this chance to learn this well.

Just because you have to use it, doesn't mean you need to understand it. You in particular may be smart and curious and capable and willing to understand, which is a great thing. Most people however are either incapable or unwilling to learn about everything.

And please understand that this sort of talk also drives people away (don't get defensive please, and appreciate the feedback), so be mindful of the effect of your statements on people who are showing an interest in Linux.

BUT (a big capitalized but), people should at least have a knowledge of how a tool they use works, right? Like you want to give some preliminary rules on how to use a soldering iron "Don't touch these parts when it's heated, or you will get nicely burned" or firearms, "don't point a gun at a person ever, even if you're sure it's unloaded." etc. Sure a computer generally won't burn you or cost someone their lives, but it never hurts and only helps to learn something about a tool before you use it.

Now while some people concentrate on the wrong things 'You need to know how to compile your own kernel!' isn't the depth we're talking about, but 'this is how you launch your Sudoku game' level of learning, and so many people don't even know that. I think this is the level some need to know about. And in this day and age, there is some actual harm that can befall people who are too ignorant to do simple things like 'run updates', or 'don't click on shady things that we warn you about!' as there can be financial, reputational, etc damage.

So yeah, for sure people should learn something about a tool before trying to use it.

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Quoting: AsciiWolfNice interview, but I really dislike how Canonical is forcing Snap. Also, it's really sad that Ubuntu is one of the few distros that have really bad Flatpak support with outdated Flatpak/XDG portal packages, no Flatpak support in their GNOME Software fork etc. :sad:

So not only are they forcing snaps on their users, but also gimping flatpak? Wow....

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Quoting: skaplon

Quoting: Pirolisi

Quoting: skaplonNetwork with a Realtek card :sick:
Got so many problems with realtek, from plain not working to slow as molasses so many times on linux
Off course they have testing and making sure this one is good but is hard to get away from recent bad experience with it

I Never had a single problem with realtek network cards on linux.

You got lucky then. Lookup RTL8139 linux problems on you favourite search engine

Weird, as I am pretty sure that very model has worked for a very long time! In fact I think network cards (non-wireless) probably have the best support under Linux than any other kind of hardware. For pretty obvious reasons.

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