At least some of those that they have bought have supported Linux gaming with native builds. They also seem to have taken some dead IP and revitalized them.

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Quoting: 1xokI have now received mine (512GB). Basically, an absolutely great device.

BUT:

• Left trigger becomes a little mushy (maybe rubbing against something), at about an input value of 28000 (full press is 32767).


• The high-pitched whistle. Oh, yes, I can hear it!


• The unit does not lie flat when placed on a table (tested with three tables). It wobbles diagonally from top left to bottom right. If you put a twice-folded sheet of 80g DIN-A4 paper underneath, it disappears. Without this, in some environments (e.g. on a moving train) the DECK will constantly wobble when placed on the table in front of you.


• If you grip it around the middle, e.g. to carry it somewhere, it creaks a little (middle bottom).

I have now read many posts where people have reported such and other smaller but quite relevant problems. I know of one case where someone RMAed their unit three times, only to receive a defective unit each time. Some problems can be solved by doing it yourself. But this is not always possible and is risky anyway. Some have destroyed their DECK with it.

Have any of you had such experiences and how do you deal with them?

Ha, so the person who RMA'd it three times is the reason 3 other people haven't gotten theirs?

I did see a post on Reddit about the left trackpad feeling weaker on the haptics than on the right one. Sounds like it's intentional though. Other than that, my thoughts are that the Steam Deck is much lighter than I thought it'd be!

So far I've fired up Neverwinter (which runs really fast and smooth) and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance, which runs flawlessly. I haven't played much of Neverwinter, as it finished downloading very late last night and I need to figure out the controller layout for everything.

I did have to tweak the desktop mode so it actually had the right controller config to scroll, etc. And it doesn't look like Firefox has the touch screen tweak (something about MOZ_XINPUT2 or something, will have to find the setting again). This is likely standard on Manjaro, as it probably isn't often used on Touchscreens.

Steam Deck has confirmed that I really think the Atari VCS would be AWESOME with SteamOS installed on it. On that note, I should play more Asteroids: Recharged...

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Quoting: 3zekiel

Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: 3zekielWhy, oh why ... The flatpak'd steam has been around for a couple years already, with flatpak 1.11 and up it is now fully usable, so why would they go and add their snap now ? Why not just update their flatpak in base distro, and use that ? SteamOS/Steam deck is also going all in on flatpak. So why can´t they just learn to give up ? They iterated over and over again in that canonical cycle (upstart, unity ...)
 
while(is_alive(canonical))
{
    do_somthing_on_our_own(rand());
    try_to_shove_it_everywhere();
    see_that_everyone_else_is_using_smthg_else();
    push_on();
    give_up();
    leave_an_ugly_mess_for_others_to_clean_up();
}
Maybe it would be time to break out of that loop.

You should be more precise: upstart was introduced by Canonical in 2006 - years before systemd was even a thing. At some point even Fedora used it.
Snap intends to do (quite) the same thing as flatpak but has its advantages and disadvantages. And snap is Canonical's thing. Just as quite a few other technologies are Red Hat's thing (though Lennart Poettering frequently takes the blame and not his employee). Snap was introduced in 2015/2016 pretty much at exactly the same time as flatpak. The situation is NOT that there was flatpak and THEN Canonical decided to do their own thing. It has been pretty much the same situation with Mir vs. Wayland or Unity vs. Gnome Shell. (Also I am not aware who these others are, who have to clean up the mess - when they ditched Unity... there was nothing to "clean up".) Also: These decisions are obviously not rand(), but they seem to address pressing problems. Because otherwise there wouldn't be competing solutions emerging at pretty much the same time.

I wonder how ppl would have dealt with the deb-vs-rpm situation if social media would have been a thing back in the days...

For the "do_something_on_your_own" I indeed do not imply that there is already a competitor in itself. Indeed, upstart came first, and snap more or less at the same time.
My meaning is more that they always do it on their own, there's hardly ever a community going around, they rarely, if ever, involve other distributions, and so on and so forth. Snap is the pinnacle of that, where the server side is even proprietary and fully centralized to them - I think they alleviated some of that, but not sure at all, and it clearly wasn't used by anyone -.
For Unity, indeed it was fairly clean. For upstart, you still have to support their service model, and/or skim through tutorials proposing their solutions, with the compatibility in the hand of others. For Ubuntu phone it's now community maintained. So is the original Mir for those that actually still need it. I agree it might not be the absolute worst. For snap though, I expect we'll lose a lot of apps once they close the service.
For upstart, even when systemd clearly came out as the winner, both technically and community wise, they still tried to shove it for quite some time. Mir ? same. For snap, they are doing the same now too. Flatpak is more widely adopted (in distros), is getting pushed by Valve too, has quite a few technical advantages (better deduplication, fully open, clearer source and runtime management) for it relevant purpose (i.e. installing a kernel via snap is not an advantage, as it's by definition fully unconfined, if anything having grey areas in term of what's sandboxed and what is not is more disadvantage to me) and is overall gaining traction. But no, instead of contributing to the already existing solution - steam flatpak here - they decided to shove their own stuff once again.

As for RPM vs deb, well it was a heated topic at that time already...

The thing with upstart vs systemd is that systemd manages a whole lot of other stuff over what upstart can do. For me personally, I think systemd is fantastic. Sure is easier to make .service files than it was to make init scripts!

Redhat has huge amounts of backing from other corporations for the projects they start up, so pretty much what they start working on because more or less standard across other distributions. Mostly because they open source everything and keep putting more money into open source projects. The last few things Canonical have done have been kept in house, and with the license that a lot of people that would otherwise work on their projects, don't because it all essentially will end up being owned by Canonical. I was 100% Pro Ubuntu until they started pushing Unity over Gnome. And diverging more and more from Debian. At this point they're just another distro in a pile of many.

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Quoting: damarrinThere’s people who still play d&d? How awesome.

My package hasn’t moved an inch since Fri evening, I guess German people don’t work on weekends, even in shipping companies.

Ha, 5th edition is HUGE right now. Granted, I hate it, but sadly you go where the players are. Kind of like how developers make games for Windows because that is where the gamers are... or used to be! Loving the Deck, I managed finally to get Neverwinter installed. Now I just need to get used to joystick control.

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So, I was planning on playing some D&D today, go to the store that is 2 min from my house, and of course as I'm walking through it, security camera catches the FedEx guy more or less tossing the box onto my porch. Nothing damaged of course, it's carrying case is great. But that meant I had to wait a few torturous hours waiting to be able to open it (somehow in the D&D game out of the first 5 d20 rolls made, 4 of them were 1s... not a good way to start a session...)

Now of course I'm waiting a few hours to download some games. I really need faster internet...

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Quoting: KuduzkehpanSame shit every 5-10 gear of any good linux distro
Once Upon a time there was mandrake then it evolved mandriva company start to work with Microsoft money flowed very fluidly
Then the magic of success and beauty expires now there is no mandriva nor connectiva neither mandrake left as good as old.
And now same shit happening as cannonical and my lovely Ubuntu. First unity gone then gnome-shell pop and ruin my life and cooperating with Microsoft cannonical and Ubuntu fades of with stupid desicions and money oriented bullshidos.
So here we go again as looking New daily gaming driver while playing on Windows.

Well... so I'm not sure how much Microsoft working with Canonical has much to do about any of it. Sure they were the first ones with official support for WSL. But there are quite a few official distribution supported versions for WSL now, including AlmaLinux.

Canonical has been going down their road of 'NIH' for a long time. And for a long time they've failed at it (the aforementioned Unity was originally a fork of gnome anyhow).

Pretty sure Ubuntu has decided their Bug #1 no longer matters, and they should concentrate on the server and OpenStack. That is where the money is at.

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: user1

Quoting: scaineThat's a great turnaround from a few years ago, when the threatened removal of 32-bit libraries would have crippled the O/S from a gaming perspective.

A better gaming experience in what is still an incredibly popular "entry" distro is superb news.

You know what I think? Making a SNAP Steam is exactly the first step towards removal of the last few remaining 32 bit libraries in Ubuntu (the original plan was to remove ALL 32 bit libraries, but because of backlash, the final decision was to keep a few 32 bit libraries used by popular software). I mean think about it, Steam and Wine are the 2 most popular pieces of software that still require 32 bit dependencies. By making a SNAP Steam, Canonical will then be able to proceed removing those remaining 32 bit libraries (and also removing .deb Steam in the process). Regarding Wine, I heard it's also available as a Snap.

I'm surprised nobody here is asking himself the question what is even the benefit of having a SNAP Steam, when .deb Steam is working perfectly?
So to me it seems that in the case of creating a SNAP Steam, Canonical is just masquerading itself as "caring about gamers", but under the hood it's just part of the plan to remove the final remaining 32 bit libraries and push their SNAP garbage.

I'm so tired of Canonical's bull**** and so glad I've switched to Fedora after a few years of mainly using Ubuntu based distros.

I stopped using Ubuntu before it was cool to do so.

Ha, they stopped being relevant to me when the changed their 'let's be Debian, with the latest Gnome and 6 month release cycles to match Gnome's purpose they had at the beginning.

I am positive their push for ditching 32bit support was because they figured if Apple could do it, why can't they? There is no technical reason for Ubuntu to do so, unlike for Apple as they knew they were moving toward ARM... pretty sad to see the amount of native mac games that won't run after Mojave.

Someone mentioned Arch ditching 32bit support? Pretty sure they have always had the separate multi architecture repo, similar to Debian needing to add it in.

There are actual programs that simply can't be ported to 64bit (or it would take some significant effort" so dropping it is the equivalent of trashing all that past work. Part of why there are software preservation groups these days.

Of course there are technical reasons for ditching 32-bit support (I'm a maintainer for the software my company distributes and I decided to ditch 32-bit support due to technical reasons). It takes time and resources to build an entire arch of your distribution, on top of which you have to provide actual support, for an arch where you have very few users. That Canonical reversed their decision when there was a backlash indicates to me that they simply didn't understand the need for 32-bit libs to support games, they obviously only thought that it was about running Ubuntu on 32-bit hardware.

Those aren't technical reasons. Those are resource reasons.

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FedEx needs to show up... pretty sad when you wish your friends would decide not to come over, so that you can spend moments with your precious Deck!

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Quoting: user1

Quoting: scaineThat's a great turnaround from a few years ago, when the threatened removal of 32-bit libraries would have crippled the O/S from a gaming perspective.

A better gaming experience in what is still an incredibly popular "entry" distro is superb news.

You know what I think? Making a SNAP Steam is exactly the first step towards removal of the last few remaining 32 bit libraries in Ubuntu (the original plan was to remove ALL 32 bit libraries, but because of backlash, the final decision was to keep a few 32 bit libraries used by popular software). I mean think about it, Steam and Wine are the 2 most popular pieces of software that still require 32 bit dependencies. By making a SNAP Steam, Canonical will then be able to proceed removing those remaining 32 bit libraries (and also removing .deb Steam in the process). Regarding Wine, I heard it's also available as a Snap.

I'm surprised nobody here is asking himself the question what is even the benefit of having a SNAP Steam, when .deb Steam is working perfectly?
So to me it seems that in the case of creating a SNAP Steam, Canonical is just masquerading itself as "caring about gamers", but under the hood it's just part of the plan to remove the final remaining 32 bit libraries and push their SNAP garbage.

I'm so tired of Canonical's bull**** and so glad I've switched to Fedora after a few years of mainly using Ubuntu based distros.

I stopped using Ubuntu before it was cool to do so.

Ha, they stopped being relevant to me when the changed their 'let's be Debian, with the latest Gnome and 6 month release cycles to match Gnome's purpose they had at the beginning.

I am positive their push for ditching 32bit support was because they figured if Apple could do it, why can't they? There is no technical reason for Ubuntu to do so, unlike for Apple as they knew they were moving toward ARM... pretty sad to see the amount of native mac games that won't run after Mojave.

Someone mentioned Arch ditching 32bit support? Pretty sure they have always had the separate multi architecture repo, similar to Debian needing to add it in.

There are actual programs that simply can't be ported to 64bit (or it would take some significant effort" so dropping it is the equivalent of trashing all that past work. Part of why there are software preservation groups these days.

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Quoting: tamodolo

Quoting: Izaic

Quoting: tamodolo

Quoting: FredrikI wonder if that means hdr support is coming. And I also hope they will make wayland usable with nvidia cards too.

I think support for higher than 8bit color is needed before HDR. It's 2022 and I still can't output 10bit color space to my monitor...

That was added this week, and is mentioned in the post.

True. Now it's a matter of time for drivers to include this. nVidia is improving the support for wayland but nvidia settings still don't allow any changes.

Funny thing is, one of the first consumer level cards to support 10bit color was the Matrox Parhelia... and I am pretty sure the Linux drivers supported it back then.

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