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Quoting: Doc AngeloThat makes no sense to me. If the exclusitivity did work out, why are they making things less exclusive over time? This is not beside the point for me, and shouldn't be beside of anyone, because this is literally the topic. I honestly have no idea why you suddenly state that this is "besides the point".

Exclusive games did work out great for them. Then they realized how much untapped revenue there is in PC gaming sales. Think about it this way; the PS4/PS5 are basically PC hardware shoved into odd looking (and loud) cases. The games use OpenGL (or an offshoot of it), so porting them to DirectX or Vulkan should be fairly straight forward, and since all the art exists already, there is fairly minimal amount of development time for opening up games to a whole new group of players. So once a PS# exclusive game's sales hit that curve where either 1) everyone has already bought it at full price that is going to. 2) there have been enough sales that people who are going to buy it have bought it on sale. So the revenue stream for those games are done. Boom, more sales instantly because the game now works on the PC, so anyone who is a Xbox/Nintendo/PC only gamer can also be a Sony customer! More Money!

Exclusive games never made much sense to me anyhow. Sure they made sense when the console itself made profit, but I'm betting for the price of the hardware in the PS5, that they are no longer making any profit on the hardware and only make profit on the games.

Yep! You are both right, but was Sony forced to support the Steam Deck? Couldn't they just release their builds for Windows and be gone with it? Then, if it works on the Steam Deck, consider it a nice to have?

It's the extra step to aknowledge the existence of the Steam Deck, support it and, by association, support Linux that amazes Liam. This is the angle that he wanted to highlight.

Got it right Liam? Because I share the same point of view.

This is pretty much my thought too. Though with Sony's history of being Linux friendly... then not, then again... then at least using open source stuff... it makes sense. I think with their mindset, it's simply a matter of 'hey, new platform, maybe we can sell more games!' Think of it like Sega. They also publish games (or at least allow them to be ported by someone else) for Linux, they no longer have their own hardware platform to make exclusive games for, but likely make far more money now than they did with say selling the Dreamcast. Sonic popping up on the Nintendo is weird for us old people who remember the hardcore rivalry that was there.

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Quoting: SalvatosA quick note from the reservations page for the people comparing availability times and how long it took them to order:

Quotethe reservation queue and expected order availability times are specific to each region.

As for me, I’m kind of hoping my slot comes up later than sooner. Still on the fence about how much I want one and would love to see more videos of people using it for things other than gaming to help make up my mind about that price tag.

The fun thing is to look at the prices of similar devices. They all float around the 1000 range, and have essentially an Xbox controller layout, instead of the rather impressive controller inputs of the Deck. Also, they run Windows...

I have a GPD Win 2 and I would use it more if 1) it ran Linux better. 2) didn't have the battery life of a gaming laptop....

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It is funny, I have been on a kick lately to want to play some old point and click style games. I bought an m1 mac... mainly because the power / battery life ratio is insane. But holy hell gaming is far more limited than it is on Linux! Lack of Priton kind of kills it. Hopefully m1 Linux support gets up to speed soon, macOS drives me nuts...

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Quoting: pb"Your expected order availability: Q1 2022"
Let's gooo!

Lucky! Mine says Q2 2022 (initially said Q1, before they had to delay it over the holidays). I got mine within the first 25 min? The site was being hammered and I had to keep trying. Probably what I get for being paranoid and never saving my CC info anywhere...

Well, it's probably some time in March. I've been on vacation when the reservation started, I set the alarm but missed it, being on a noisy promenade at the time. Realised 10-15 minutes later that it was past due, I did my best to get the reservation, but had to re-do the checkout three or four times. So, paradoxically, maybe (hopefully) I was still pretty early, given that the system was clogged in the beginning.

Yeah mine was 3 or 4 times as well. Probably going to find out you were 5 ahead of me, so barely fit in the Q1 slots.

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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI wonder why Sony are porting their games to the competitor's operating system instead of doing it for an own Linux distro.

I guess the PS5 operative system is technically more close to Linux than to Windows

As far as I remember it's based on BSD (same as Mac OS, just having used a different BSD version). At least older versions were, but they might be using something new/different now.

Ah MacOS... Darwin kernel, Mach64 based, with BSD-ish userland, and banned GPLv3 software... yay, let's ship with a 15 year old version of rsync!

Sorry, was running into issues like that with macOS Monterey on my M1 max... was irritated I had to install the newer version from Brew. It is interesting why exactly they don't ship any GPLv3 software, but you'd think they'd attempt to find alternatives for such things. So far that I know of, they've only replaced bash with zsh, and coded their own samba replacement...

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Quoting: torkel104Ubisoft is a horrible company that abuses its workers and customers alike. Do not support them!

I wish I could be running a company and abuse my workers. But only if they consent. Some people like the abuse. :P

Seriously though, there are very few companies on the planet earth that don't abuse their workers in some way. EA is more notorious for that, yet people still buy their games. Ubisoft has a formula for their games now... all they need is to get artists to change the textures, maybe software developers to tweak some parameters, and boom, they have another watchdogs, assassins creed, etc. They sell though as they are somewhat fun. Though attempting to get all the things in any of those type of games becomes pretty much impossible. Also their lunacy about DLC and what they charge for it is nuts, and really is kind of abusive to the industry. Best to wait a few years after a game launches, then just buy the 'ultra platinum edition' on sale for 10 bucks like I did for Ghost Recon: Wildlands on the PS Store...

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Quoting: LoftyYou know, i think this is going to be a mid/long term success. But there will undoubtedly be people who are just miserable contrarians who will try to throw shade on the deck even at the slightest issue, and i think it's pretty obvious there will be many bumps in the road for this device given what it is trying to do. Hopefully we won't see too many low IQ click / rage bait videos from people with no scruples trying to make bank being unfair or deceitful.

Longer term we should expect a steam-deck 2.


(Actually can we get a steam controller 2 please whilst we are at it )

I do wonder about one thing; On the Index controllers, they made the analog sticks clickable... but you couldn't click and move them around like the majority of joysticks, there was some weird issue with them. Hopefully they have worked that out and the sticks on the Deck behave more like what people are used to.

My other worry is all the people that will just buy this and install Windows on it... seems to defeat the purpose of the Deck for me; as who wants to deal with another Windows install...

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Quoting: pb"Your expected order availability: Q1 2022"
Let's gooo!

Lucky! Mine says Q2 2022 (initially said Q1, before they had to delay it over the holidays). I got mine within the first 25 min? The site was being hammered and I had to keep trying. Probably what I get for being paranoid and never saving my CC info anywhere...

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Quoting: Doc AngeloThat makes no sense to me. If the exclusitivity did work out, why are they making things less exclusive over time? This is not beside the point for me, and shouldn't be beside of anyone, because this is literally the topic. I honestly have no idea why you suddenly state that this is "besides the point".

Exclusive games did work out great for them. Then they realized how much untapped revenue there is in PC gaming sales. Think about it this way; the PS4/PS5 are basically PC hardware shoved into odd looking (and loud) cases. The games use OpenGL (or an offshoot of it), so porting them to DirectX or Vulkan should be fairly straight forward, and since all the art exists already, there is fairly minimal amount of development time for opening up games to a whole new group of players. So once a PS# exclusive game's sales hit that curve where either 1) everyone has already bought it at full price that is going to. 2) there have been enough sales that people who are going to buy it have bought it on sale. So the revenue stream for those games are done. Boom, more sales instantly because the game now works on the PC, so anyone who is a Xbox/Nintendo/PC only gamer can also be a Sony customer! More Money!

Exclusive games never made much sense to me anyhow. Sure they made sense when the console itself made profit, but I'm betting for the price of the hardware in the PS5, that they are no longer making any profit on the hardware and only make profit on the games.

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Quoting: BlackBloodRumNo problem!

Got the money saved and set aside for the deck already.. so as soon as I'm able to, that deck be mine.

Same! Looking forward to playing around on it for sure!

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