Quoting: Arcadius-8606

Quoting: slaapliedjeYeah, this is one of the issues with how people package things. It makes more sense to have a build server set up. Create a repo for the current distributions at time for release, then add a new repo as they come out, and have some post install stuff for upgrades.

This way a new package automatically gets built with the correct dependencies. Problem is getting the build server to handle the main distributions.

I just put in for a refund. This is too much work for me. I was hoping to have something easy RPGs-ish to setup for family while they are visiting since most of my library is arena shooters and arcade fighters.

Yeah, I would have just bought it through Steam or GOG. Beamdog's client is just crashing for me.

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Quoting: Arcadius-8606Anyone have the beamdog client installed properly? Thought I would give this some support and it's a no good install for POP OS 21.04.

Harfbuzz version too old error.

Yeah, this is one of the issues with how people package things. It makes more sense to have a build server set up. Create a repo for the current distributions at time for release, then add a new repo as they come out, and have some post install stuff for upgrades.

This way a new package automatically gets built with the correct dependencies. Problem is getting the build server to handle the main distributions.

Building games can take hours. If you want to do a separate build for all major distributions, that's a massive waiting time...

I'd rather package once on Debian Stable and then just test if the built package installs on other distros.
In addition, I'd do what Unity does, and link a lot of libraries statically. Not all, of course, only those where it makes sense from an upgrade- and security-standpoint. For applications packaged by the distributor static linkage is not a good idea, but for standalone programs packaged by someone outside the distribution I think the advantages (being independent of system library versions, no need to integrate with the package manager,...) outweigh the disadvantages (higher RAM usage, higher HDD usage, responsibility for security updates,...).

This is about the distribution clients, not the game itself.

Sorry for misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about building/packaging of games.
What do you mean by "distribution client" though? Distributors build their packages themselves though, so how could their packaging influence games (apart from shipping older libraries than those the game links against - what is again a problem of the game packaging targeting too new library versions)?

Beamdog has their own client (in this case they distribute it as an Appimage. It was crashing on me when I tested it). That is what I mean by them building their own client. As you can buy their games directly from them. I think Feral might have one too?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeThe amusing thing to me, is that Unity also pushed me away from them... and then they finally announced unity was dead, they turned around and forced snaps... so I still stay away.

Personally, I lost interest when they stopped with the nude photography.

No wait, that was the reason I lost interest with Playboy.

No, wait again, it really was Ubuntu [External Link]!

(In reality I have of course never used either.)

Ha ha, the naked people brought back memories (I think I still have some of the official Warty CDs. Remember when they used to send those out for free upon request?)

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Quoting: Nocifer

Quoting: Guestto Capcom this isn't GNU/Linux, this is something closer to Just Another Console(tm).

And that's more than fine for the time being. Every journey begins with a first step, does it not? At this point all we really want and all we can really ask for is that games can run in an easy and competitive (performance-wise) manner on Linux, so that PC users aren't forced to use Windows if they want to also play games; and the Steam Deck's success will facilitate that. If and when this success becomes a reality, then we can start asking for more.

Sames arguments were made for Stadia too.

The Deck might differ if people are convinced to use the desktop mode, but phones have had exactly that and it's changed nothing. There's just no incentive that I can see.
Purely guesswork on all our parts of course, but I'm going with it won't change anything on the desktop.

How will this not change anything on the desktop? Will it bring more users to use Desktop Linux? Probably not. Will it bring more games that are playable on Desktop Linux? 100% it will, as it's using the exact same software on the Deck. That's where Stadia was garbage, it's all hidden on Google's servers, never to be seen by us 'normies'.

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Quoting: elmapuli think this situation is... ironic to say the least...
canonical bet that linux could become mainstream, spend a lot of money on it, then they failed.
they even tried to do an partnership with valve and got ambitious with their own display server, an phone, tablet, conversible concept...
and ultimately failed, but at least they were the entry point to many in the world of linux and as result, many people build know how on ubuntu wich helped then grow in the server space (cheap laborhood)

the desktop seemed ... abandoned, a few bug fixes here and there but no major new features.

then valve strike again, an big youtuber that reache the masses start talking about linux , and they're like:
hey we're listening to yourfeedback!
i'm not saying they werent before, but they were silent at best...
its almost like they realize that things may finally get into motion now, and they may miss the boat...
anyway, i'm not mad at then, its just that... it may be to later, steamOS is arch based and pop seems to be get the public they were negleting, so lets see what happens =p

Ubuntu definitely was the first home user friendly distro out there, and they put a lot of effort into making it that way, but I think they lost their way at some point. They tried to turn into a Microsoft, and it didn't work - a little too commerical, not enough looking after their users. Trying to do their own thing rather than work with (and thereby lead) the community. Red Hat gets away with this by looking at a different market.

I wasn't a fan with the direction Ubuntu had started to take, but what kept me away the most was their insistence on Unity, and then trying to put Amazon affiliate links and data collection in by default. That's gone away now (I hope), but that it was tried at all speaks volumes of their priorities. Which is a shame, because they were well poised to become the standard distro that could have been the reference against gaming development.

Nah there really were quite a few REALLY friendly distributions out there, long before Ubuntu was a twinkle in Shuttleworth's eye. Corel/Xandros is one of many. Mandrake was also wonderful. Ubuntu was just the latest iteration that went hard for the desktop initially, and especially while Red Hat had given up.

The amusing thing to me, is that Unity also pushed me away from them... and then they finally announced unity was dead, they turned around and forced snaps... so I still stay away.

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Quoting: drmothSorry to disappoint you, but the main campaign of NWN is about a pandemic - a disease outbreak :D

I'll admit I actually knew that going in, I was setting myself up for the joke :tongue:

I did find it funny that the cure for the disease in the game involves a bat. Well, a Cockatrice, so part bat.

Sounds like maybe we need to find the four monsters to get rid of Covid.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Arcadius-8606Anyone have the beamdog client installed properly? Thought I would give this some support and it's a no good install for POP OS 21.04.

Harfbuzz version too old error.

Yeah, this is one of the issues with how people package things. It makes more sense to have a build server set up. Create a repo for the current distributions at time for release, then add a new repo as they come out, and have some post install stuff for upgrades.

This way a new package automatically gets built with the correct dependencies. Problem is getting the build server to handle the main distributions.

Building games can take hours. If you want to do a separate build for all major distributions, that's a massive waiting time...

I'd rather package once on Debian Stable and then just test if the built package installs on other distros.
In addition, I'd do what Unity does, and link a lot of libraries statically. Not all, of course, only those where it makes sense from an upgrade- and security-standpoint. For applications packaged by the distributor static linkage is not a good idea, but for standalone programs packaged by someone outside the distribution I think the advantages (being independent of system library versions, no need to integrate with the package manager,...) outweigh the disadvantages (higher RAM usage, higher HDD usage, responsibility for security updates,...).

This is about the distribution clients, not the game itself.

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Quoting: syylkMy forecast for Mistlands:
- spiders, big and bigger
- lightning attacks/resistance
- dark/eerie biome, but dry as opposed to the wet Swamp

Even from what has been in the game so far, you can see that Mistlands will be permanently cold. So another permanent debuff. But at least no double down during nighttime.

One thing I really liked about Conan Exiles is that you had to equip specific armor types in specific biomes or you would overheat / freeze. Valheim just really has freeze under a certain 'level', and then various weather effects that won't kill you.

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Quoting: Arcadius-8606Anyone have the beamdog client installed properly? Thought I would give this some support and it's a no good install for POP OS 21.04.

Harfbuzz version too old error.

Yeah, this is one of the issues with how people package things. It makes more sense to have a build server set up. Create a repo for the current distributions at time for release, then add a new repo as they come out, and have some post install stuff for upgrades.

This way a new package automatically gets built with the correct dependencies. Problem is getting the build server to handle the main distributions.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: Mohandevir...being forced to change the batteries, in my SC is the part I hate the most. I broke one of the "ejector sticks" in one of them... I can still change the batteries, but I'm in for a hell of a fight. :wink:

That is true, some batteries are slightly larger and hard to take out.
I do this to avoid fighting with them:

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You just pull them out with the ribbon.

Nice! I have some rechargeable batteries that are 100% smooth on the bottom, as opposed to most batteries that have some sort of lip/wrinkle. They are a pain to get out of the SC.

What I've noticed as a difference between standard alkaline and rechargeable is the shape of the positive end of the battery. The little protruding nipple that AA batteries have. On regular alkaline its a little smaller in circumference and has rounded edges. On all rechargeable AAs I've seen that nipple has hard square corners and a wider circumference.

This difference actually snapped off the terminal of a very expensive GPS I once owned. At first I thought it was a manufacturing error on Garmin's part but the replacement they sent fell victim to the same sharp nippled battery. It's a design flaw one way or the other but I'd place the blame on the batteries. Especially since hearing people also had issues with their Steam controller and rechargeable AAs.

We all hate sharp nipples. Unless you need them to cut glass.

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