Quoting: scaineWhat makes KDE bloated?

I obviously can't know what others speak to, but I personally find their settings / control panel to be a bloated mess. Many articles I have read point out the wish for a Basic / Adanced mode toggle.

A good example of this is the clock settings. In Gnome, you can change it in the settings -> Date & Time. It lists 'Automatic Date & Time', or you can manually change it. And Time Zone. And 24 hour or AM/PM.

Then it is smart enough to do the reast based on location.

KDE on the other hand (which it looks like it is better, is still terrible)...
Settings -> Regional Settings -> Date & Time Or Time Zone (they are on separate tabs).

It has too many layers for doing just simple things. I had to use the search function to find even the control panel, because there are System and Settings menu entries...

It isn't that it is bloated in the requirements, it is bloated in how you have to navigate things. It is bloated in features. Some people like to just boot and launch what they want to work on. While you can eventually get there with KDE, it has a bloated feel out of the box. It is like going to a restaurant that people have told you is really good, but never mentioned a particular meal to try. Then when you get there, they have this massive menu....

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Quoting: omer666I've been using so many desktops over the years I lost count a while ago, but after all these years I finally know what I want: something I don't have to configure for hours. So I prefer GNOME because it fits my needs perfectly and it is very intuitive. I can quickly focus on what I'm working on.

I do like KDE but it's really not made for me. It's kind of bloated and I feel like I need to customize it to death before I am satisfied. Apps made for KDE tend to be overcomplicated for the exact same functionality and I'm not very fond of taskbars...

This is exactly how I feel. When I actually want to get things done, I use Gnome. When I want to play around with the desktop, I install KDE.

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My Opinion of course:
There needs to be a Desktop Environment that is somewhere between the Good defaults, but not a lot of customization of Gnome, and Okay defaults, with too much customization of KDE.

KDE's settings are still all over the place, and feel like there are some which just aren't useful to 95% of the population, but that 5% left are coders that don't want to clean it out.

Also, Evolution is still a much better Outlook replacement than Kmail. KDE has some really good things about it. But at the same time it's a bit too much like Windows, and when moving away from Windows and the way it works, I'd rather move to something that diverges from it a bit.

Though the same could be said of Gnome with the Mac. There are things that work similarly between the two. Though in defense of Gnome, Nautilus is WAY nicer than Finder...

I still wish Enlightenment was capable of releasing a full DE, with associated applications so you wouldn't have to mix in GTK/QT applications to get a light weight, but shiny experience!

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleStill not complete though. They don't say which kernel to test against and which branch of Proton Experimental.

As for recommending Manjaro, that's a big oooof. Much wiser to either install EndeavourOS *SNIP*

Full stop right there. lets not continue the old adage of "you should be using this" that the Linux community has. the main reason Valve picked this, is for 1, ease-of-use and 2, its more then likely what the DE is closest to Valve OS. at the same time, just because the coders hold the title of game Devs, doesn't mean they are well versed in the ins and outs of Linux environments.

The reasons I suggested EndeavourOS is because of how Manjaro have handled security issues in the past and EndeavourOS is closer to pure Arch.

I'm not suggesting any one distro is better than another, simply basing my recommendation on personal experience.

I think it's good Valve have the recommendation in place, even though I don't agree with it.

Well, hopefully the suggestion of using Manjaro is just a temporary one until SteamOS gets a new release. I have tried Manjaro a few times and think just pure Arch, while a pain to do an initial install, has a much more likely long lasting set up before something breaks.

Ha, quoting myself...

Maybe it is the effort, but I usually find distributions that are a just a bit more of a hassle to set up are longer lasting for me (as in I am less likely to distro hop if there was some effort in getting it set up.) Every distribution has some sort of imperfection. Which is why there are so many of them.
Had Ubuntu stuck with their original goal of being Debian with a 6 month release and always the most current Gnome (which used to be a huge problem for Debian, even if you were running Sid), than it really would have been my favorite distribution. But NiH attitudes basically made me go back to Debian. It makes a lot more sense to base things on it rather than Arch, as rolling releases always have their own growing pains, by their very nature. But for sure, the packaging of things is WAY easier on Arch.

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Quoting: zexmaxwell

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: rustybroomhandleStill not complete though. They don't say which kernel to test against and which branch of Proton Experimental.

As for recommending Manjaro, that's a big oooof. Much wiser to either install EndeavourOS *SNIP*

Full stop right there. lets not continue the old adage of "you should be using this" that the Linux community has. the main reason Valve picked this, is for 1, ease-of-use and 2, its more then likely what the DE is closest to Valve OS. at the same time, just because the coders hold the title of game Devs, doesn't mean they are well versed in the ins and outs of Linux environments.

The reasons I suggested EndeavourOS is because of how Manjaro have handled security issues in the past and EndeavourOS is closer to pure Arch.

I'm not suggesting any one distro is better than another, simply basing my recommendation on personal experience.

I think it's good Valve have the recommendation in place, even though I don't agree with it.

Well, hopefully the suggestion of using Manjaro is just a temporary one until SteamOS gets a new release. I have tried Manjaro a few times and think just pure Arch, while a pain to do an initial install, has a much more likely long lasting set up before something breaks.

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Quoting: clatterfordslimWho would use it in their right mind? I don't use Chrome because of the blasted telemetry, that fills the Internet wherever you go on it. Google have the monopoly there. Is there such a thing as privacy any more? I use Firefox and not the Snaps version either. Brave Browser for streaming Netflix, Disney+, BBC_iplayer, ITV HUB, Channel 4, MY5, UK-TV-Play. Although I cannot see the difference between using Firefox or Brave, as they both open to my own HTML homepage stored for Firefox /usr/lib/firefox/homepage Braves is in /opt/brave.com/brave-beta/homepage. This way it saves on reading the net when opening.
Use Edge on Linux and you're surely to run into user collections from Microsoft and Google? I'm fed up with all the telemetry that is the Internet these days. Take me back to Gnome 2 days please, where the model for Linux was perfect and faster than anything we have today. Get rid of Mobile Media Devices too and go back to where no one knew where anyone was. The world was happier then.

While I understand why it doesn't... if Epiphany supported the required DRM and extensions, I would switch to it in a heartbeat. Firefox has just gotten worse lately.

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Quoting: Perkeleen_Vittupää

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoSo... Is this tool Lutris alike, downloading for Me everything I need for to run a GOG Windows game on Linux?

In my understanding yes. I have not tested MiniGalaxy in a long while though. It is coming together with all vitals needed as we can see.

Best to try it to find out, then making bug reports :happy:

The Wine support in minigalaxy is not as good as Lutris, but it will install the game. You will have an easier time getting a Windows game running in Lutris unless it's a game that can be run with no Wine tweaking at all. I have only tested Frost Punk so far, and so have been sticking to only Linux games in minigalaxy.

Since I wasn't happy with the GOG connection of Lutris, what I ended up doing was installing Frost Punk via minigalaxy and then adding that game to Lutris and launching from Lutris. That works.

What would be nice is some more auto-config stuff for the included DOSBox games on GOG. As it is, I need to change the config for MIDI output every time.

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Quoting: rustybroomhandleThat NUC is frickin' adorable tho.

There are some others that come with Linux pre-installed that GOL has reported on before, if you're interested in that kind of thing.

Alas, I have 9 cats to support, I cannot spend 600 bucks on electronics. :P

This just reminds me of this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dhjmSp30jc [External Link]

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Quoting: ShabbyXValve is pretty clearly delaying this so they can finish Half-Life 3 as a Deck-only game.

I wouldn't mind that (in fact, I think it would be good for the Deck and for Linux in general), but only as long as it's just a timed exclusive which will eventually find its way to other platforms and also other stores (not just Steam).

While I obviously said that as a joke, it's not too far fetched for them to release a game that's highly specific to Deck's controls to the point that it wouldn't be really playable on desktop. They did that for VR after all, didn't they?

I was trying to think how that would work considering it's much more similar to existing controls than VR controls are, but I guess the Deck does have

• Gyroscope,


• Touch screen,


• More buttons on the back than most controllers,

so I suppose if someone really wanted to they could make a game that only really works on a Deck.

The deck is probably closer to Steam Controllers (as far as configurability) than your standard xbox 360 layout style controller.
In fact, I want to say with the exception of a second analog stick, and I think 4 instead of two buttons on the bottom, the control capabilities are identical. Oh yeah, and the touch screen, I suppose. But hopefully outside of say RTS games, not many will use the touch screen, as that's how I think mobile games are terrible...

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Quoting: questioner9I wonder if it will now ship on Two's-day (Tuesday 22/2/2022) :grin:

Ha, following the Dreamcast's 9/9/99?

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