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Quoting: slaapliedjeBack when they based the original SteamOS on Debian, it was because of Canonical's Creative... something license, I can't recall off the top of my head what it was called, but the discussion was basically about that.

Interesting. I am surprised the Canonical stuff wasn't something that could have been stripped out. I wasn't thinking Valve would use vanilla Ubuntu. Whether or not it would have worked, I can see Valve's desire not to be relying on a commercial Linux distro, that has a very different agenda than theirs.

I mean Ubuntu is basically Debian, but forked and 'ruined' from a philosophical standpoint. Going for a non-corporate backed distribution makes a lot of sense from the perspective Valve was coming from.

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Quoting: no_information_hereThe question no-one is asking: Why not an Ubuntu base?

My guess: Because Canonical can't decide what it wants with the desktop. Trying to remove the 32bit libs was a boneheaded move.

I am very happy that Valve is using KDE for the desktop mode!

Back when they based the original SteamOS on Debian, it was because of Canonical's Creative... something license, I can't recall off the top of my head what it was called, but the discussion was basically about that.

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Quoting: EikeAFAIK the main Linux developer at Valve doesn't like Debian's package format.

If that's true, then I don't think it's worth discussing any other reasons. This one is the only one that matters :P

Would be interesting to know the details on that however since it doesn't make any sense.

Still waiting for someone to jump in and show the source...

I found this old mentioning, but not the original...
"Jean Loup Griffais has said they were a bit tired of using the debian tools." [External Link]

It was in one of the git commits or something for SteamOS? I can't remember where it was, but I know the post they are referring to. As I remember thinking 'yeah, .debs are kind of annoying to package, but just find one of the debian maintainers and have them do it...'

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Quoting: nobody_importantIf that's the case, how come they didn't decide to use Debian Testing instead?

AFAIK the main Linux developer at Valve doesn't like Debian's package format. While I'm on Debian's side, I don't care too much which one they use.

This is basically what I read into 'we switched to Arch'. While PKGBUILDs are easy... that means PKGBUILDs can be created by anyone... and uploaded by anyone. Frankly I think/hope they disable AUR by default (like Arch Linux does) and only people who know how to break/fix their systems should dink with it. AUR is by it's nature an 'untrusted' source.

The other thing is, when Valve first started building SteamOS based on Debian, they did not have debian-backports being part of the main (supported) repositories. Now they are (and have been since buster). This easily allows kernels, mesa, drivers, etc to be updated safely. Or you know, they could maintain just their own single repository with packaged stuff that gets downloaded. But yeah, the developer doesn't like Debian's package format.

That's okay, I'll be putting Debian on mine anyhow :P And I bet the overall experience will be the exact same.

Quoting: KeyrockI dumped Fedora for Manjaro because of the Anaconda installer. I don't know what it is but that installer hates me and the feeling is mutual, quite frankly.

Ha, that Anaconda installer is trash (the GUI one). It is fine for automation purposes.

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Quoting: BielFPsI'm not a kde user, but I am a fan of some of their software like Krita and Kdenlive, so I'm happy that their efforts are being recognized and hope that those improves include their wayland compositor too.

The biggest success story of KDE though (if we like it or not) is KHTML, which as base of Chrome took over browser world domination.

It's been a while.. but last time I used Konqueror, it still had the option of changing the rendering engine between KHTML, Webkit and Gecko(I think that was the last one).

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Quoting: X6205What i really need in linux since i have new wide color gamut monitor without sRGB mode (un-famous DELL S2721DGFA), is some kind of whole screen color management. I need to somehow apply ICC profile to entire desktop to prevent terrible over-saturation typical for WCG monitors.

Since this article is about KDE, maybe there is some KWin plugin to achieve that. Similar to old Compiz ICC color server. That alone would make me switch from prefered GNOME..

https://github.com/compiz-reloaded/compicc [External Link]

EDIT: It seem there is Ubuntu 20.04 Unity Remix... Hmm.. I wonder if it's usable..

Uhm, Gnome uses ICC profiles... Is it just not working for some reason?

Yes, it's working the same way like in Windows. Color managed apps are displaying colors properly when you instal ICC profile. but GNOME desktop user interface is not color managed like Windows, so everything is oversaturated on WCG monitors.

Weird, I've not had that issue. On the other hand I've had that issue under Windows when enabling HDR.

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Quoting: X6205What i really need in linux since i have new wide color gamut monitor without sRGB mode (un-famous DELL S2721DGFA), is some kind of whole screen color management. I need to somehow apply ICC profile to entire desktop to prevent terrible over-saturation typical for WCG monitors.

Since this article is about KDE, maybe there is some KWin plugin to achieve that. Similar to old Compiz ICC color server. That alone would make me switch from prefered GNOME..

https://github.com/compiz-reloaded/compicc [External Link]

EDIT: It seem there is Ubuntu 20.04 Unity Remix... Hmm.. I wonder if it's usable..

Uhm, Gnome uses ICC profiles... Is it just not working for some reason?

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Quoting: Sputnik_tr_02KDE Plasma is awesome, it was actually one of the reasons that I switch to Linux back in the day.

Plasma isn't that old, is it? Hell, I remember the KDE 1.0 release and why Gnome was created in the first place (literally because Qt wasn't GPL).

I tend to think that the Steam Deck should be Plasma Mobile unless docked though. Or the Deck needs a stylus... using KDE on that small of a screen with how many options it has will be... not as great as if they used Gnome.

Say what you will about Gnome-shell, it does sort of succeed at being touch friendly and desktop friendly at the same time, where KDE has a separate shell for touch / small screen footprints.

KDE will certainly improve in that regard, and not only the shell. KDE mobile goes way beyond the shell and making plasmashell touch friendly isn't really the problem.
Regarding Stylus: You realize the Deck comes with 2 quite advanced touchpads and a LOT of buttons? I'd be surprised if we couldn't get some quite comfortable mouse simulation/input that way.

Touchpads are generally trash for cursor movement (yeah yeah, MacOS supposedly has great touchpads. I still prefer the little TrackPoints on Thinkpads). Zeroing on tiny options with the touchpads may be problematic. Guess we'll find out when they start shipping.

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Quoting: lejimsterYou make a valid point about extensions constantly being broken on Gnome because of updates. It's the one thing I really hate about updating. I usually have a week or two either without some extensions, or I have to go find the github page to find a fix for the issue. It's part of the reason I don't update my Arch system as much as I used to.

I have briefly tried KDE in the past, but of all the main GUI's on Linux.. It's probably the one environment I've spent the least time in. I hope it's a really polished user experience by the time the Deck is released.

My problems with KDE is that their mail client still is pretty terrible. I use Evolution and all of it's features, and it's great. And while you can use it in KDE... it just doesn't quite fit. KPIM needs a full on rewrite.

But hey, since the Steam Deck is open, I plan on putting Debian on it and just use that over Arch. While I have Arch on a second hard drive in my main system, it's my 'play around' setup. Wouldn't look forward to compiling librefox on the Steam Deck. :P

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