Quoting: Sputnik_tr_02KDE Plasma is awesome, it was actually one of the reasons that I switch to Linux back in the day.

Plasma isn't that old, is it? Hell, I remember the KDE 1.0 release and why Gnome was created in the first place (literally because Qt wasn't GPL).

I tend to think that the Steam Deck should be Plasma Mobile unless docked though. Or the Deck needs a stylus... using KDE on that small of a screen with how many options it has will be... not as great as if they used Gnome.

Say what you will about Gnome-shell, it does sort of succeed at being touch friendly and desktop friendly at the same time, where KDE has a separate shell for touch / small screen footprints.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeI'm pretty sure Linus is only cool with Linux due to Anthony. If you watch any of the stuff that LTT has done involving Linux, it's always Anthony who is driving it. Linus seems to be more interested in the hardware than any of the software. But of course that's perfectly fine, as that's just what he does.

I think for Linus to really like Linux, more of the benchmarking software needs to be ported (instead of running them through Proton / Wine, we should get native ports).

Linus actually had all the the necessary benchmarking tools in Linux for one video. It was about computer that Torvalds built and the benchmark was compiling the kernel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kua9cY8q_EI [External Link]. Anthony was directing that video and has a short cameo, so he might have helped little bit.

In overall, no wonder Anthony actually was suggested as host for the potential Linux show. I have no idea how big Linux community there's in the LLT audience, but they seem to be somewhat vocal.

PS: I stumbled actually on Linux video that Anthony wasn't involved in, he's not mentioned in the credits at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNzUr6HqXmg [External Link] (bit of outlier though)

Ha, did Linus pronounce Linus wrong in that second linked video?

Also... second link was from Feb 2020, first was from Jul 2020... Full pandemic beard grown!

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Quoting: MekaDragonIt's crazy to see GNU/Linux starting to have more choices for gaming on Steam than Windows lol.

Now if we could just get something like Launchbox... Only reason I have Windows on my tower hooked up in my living room is for it. (Launchbox is a frontend to a ton of different gamestores / emulators, etc. Think BPM with trailers / screenshots / etc for everything from Steam, to Mame to Amiga). problem is, it's written in .Net and doesn't quite work well with Linux... and even if it did work under Proton / Wine, the emulators themselves would also need to be wrapped.

Seriously need some Linux native competitor to it :)

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Quoting: g000hI'm using Gnome 3.38 here (Debian 11 Testing), with very few changes to the defaults. I'm perfectly happy with the appearance of the DE. It was a bit of a learning curve when I switched to it from earlier Gnome 2, and it is "decent"-looking rather than "amazing".

With Windows, I was happiest with the Windows 7 DE, and I've not liked Windows 8 or 10 at all. I've always found Mac OSX to be difficult to navigate, but it does look very nice. Similarly Windows 10 looks nice, but navigating definitely irritates me on that as well.

I have very elderly parents using Debian 10 Stable and Gnome 3.30, and they're managing with it. (Their computer skills are seriously lacking, but they can still do the basics on this DE without struggling.) [Previously my octogenarian parents were using Mac OSX on a Core 2 Duo iMac, but that was too old to run modern Mac OSX so I helped them switch from OSX Snow Leopard to a new computer running Linux+Gnome. If *they* can do it, nearly anyone could do it.]

Yeah, it wasn't until a certain version of Fedora had a certain version of Gnome 3 that I started to learn it and actually think Gnome-Shell is quite genius now. So easy to use, and one of the few DEs that just stay out of the way and let you just run applications. KDE/Plasma is evil for people who are easily distracted.

I can totally agree with OSX. I will never understand why it still only thinks there should be a single mouse button... I always find it frustrating to use. Was playing around with MorphOS last night, and it feels like some weird cross breed between macOS and AmigaOS.

Funny thing about Gnome 40? I basically just added in the extensions to make it go back to how Gnome was before. It doesn't make sense for me to have the hot corner in the upper left, and then have the dock all the way in the bottom (especially on super ultrawide screens like I have now). Then again, I only use the 'dock' as a quick launch thing for a few applications (like Steam, Firefox, Evolution) and I hate the extensions that make it a permanent thing on my screen. Like why do you need an extra task bar outside of 'hit the meta key'?

One thing I do miss from Gnome 2 (and I noticed Win10 ripped) is copying progress on the task bar. Thought that was one of the coolest integrations. Even Steam has a little progress bar thing with the icon on the taskbar in Win10. Not sure if KDE has such a feature, but it should.

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Quoting: Anza

Quoting: mylkai dont like the dude form Adam Savage’s Tested

he just asks about windows.... he does not seem like he will use linux very long on the deck

Luckily Linus from LLT is the more Linux positive one. LLT has more subscribers than Tested.

He's actually excited about having Linux in the Deck and didn't even explicitly say no when asked about having Linux show in LLT. As long as he doesn't have to host it though as he's by no means Linux expert.

I think people might be tempted to ask about installing Windows as Valve has stated that Deck is not locked device and you can install whatever you want on it. Thus people get curious about those things.

I'm pretty sure Linus is only cool with Linux due to Anthony. If you watch any of the stuff that LTT has done involving Linux, it's always Anthony who is driving it. Linus seems to be more interested in the hardware than any of the software. But of course that's perfectly fine, as that's just what he does.

I think for Linus to really like Linux, more of the benchmarking software needs to be ported (instead of running them through Proton / Wine, we should get native ports).

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Alm888There is no "/etc/os-release" on Windows. Not even "/etc". :wink:

Sure there is, it is in Windows\System32\drivers\etc. 😜

No, it is not. ;)
The "etc" thing there is only for "hosts" file (that's right, a plain text file without an extension in its name on Windows. One of a kind!). And that is only because Billy (I believe it was still Him at the helm back then) felt lazy that day and just decided to rip off BSD network stack, complete with configuration files and directory structure (yeah, that level of laziness).
Apart from that the directory serves no purpose and holds no identification data. So, no, there is no "os-release" there.

Hence the tongue face...

It's literally as you said, just a few files there. but that's the extent of it's etc because everything else is buried in that garbage registry...

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Quoting: d10sfanYep that's me! Glad you're enjoying it!

I'll have to try this out! It's bordering on disgusting that it isn't default to have the native versions. Well, at least for those that have native versions. I can understand things like Morrowind, where it's an open source engine recreation for the game to not be in Steam. But when they are just wrappers around dosbox in Windows, why couldn't they also do dosbox native under Linux? Boxtron and Roberta shouldn't need to be a thing, but it's brilliant that it is!

Been meaning to play some Freespace forever...

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Alm888New API? I wonder, what will it be?
In my impression developers just need to target WIN32 API releasing for Windows and Valve will do the "magic". Well, that and Vulkan is preferable. At least Valve has said as much…

Well to be honest in order to fulfil "that will tell games if they're being run on the Steam Deck" that API could be just /etc/os-release :-)

There is no "/etc/os-release" on Windows. Not even "/etc". :wink:
But I guess, a new function in Steam API returning 0 or 1 on whether it is a Steam Deck will suffice.

Sure there is, it is in Windows\System32\drivers\etc. 😜

But it isn't hard for something like steam input to say "Deck controller found"

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: damarrinTo rain a little on everyone's parade (mine included), people on another gaming website I go to have been saying en masse how it's an instant Windows install for it to be even remotely useful. That's what the "general public" thinks, unfortunately :-(

Well, while I fear too many will, taking loud people on the net for the "general public" might also lead to the impression that most people wouldn't like to have a Covid vaccination...

Or that the earth is flat! :P

Yeah, I don't see a whole lot of people buying it just to format and install Windows on it. There are plenty of Windows Mobile PCs out there. Windows could potentially also stink for the controls that the Valve guys have been tweaking and perfecting to run under Linux. Windows' game input can consume a full satchel of richards as far as I'm concerned. Only Windows would force me to disable drivers in device manager because it can't figure out that my mouse is not a game pad, or even allow me to re-order the game controllers it does detect, so that I can actually get the controller to work. This happens on a lot of games in Windows... Never had such an issue in Linux.

I think it would be beneficial for Valve to not be too loud about "you can install Windows". If it runs like a console, most people won't care that it's Linux on it. Unless you say "it's Linux" and some go "ugh, Linux?! That's for nerds, I'm installing Windows".
Most poeple don't care that the PS4 is technically running a version of FreeBSD (afaik).

Ha, yeah... but installing an OS is for nerds too... I'm betting far less people install Windows over Linux on this than a bunch of the uneducated console videos I've seen say. Most of them outright are like 'Linux is for servers and stuff, no one uses it on their desktops' Or 'just install Windows, we know it works.' Or similar. Most of them have no idea what Linux is outside of 'that text thing'.

Hell, I remember there were videos of people showing off KDE to randoms in the mall, back before Windows 7 was released, and people actually thought it WAS Windows 7.

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Quoting: Appelsin

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: PJ

Quoting: Purple Library GuyMint with Mate is IMO good, and very familiar to a classic Windows user, right out of the box.

Look for example at OSX - it is completely different from Windows, but quite a bit of pros (for example musicians, graphic designers etc) use it as it offers them a better experience.

OK, look at it. So, first of all, every time I try to use OS X it drives me nuts. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to find a damn file, for instance. Lots of people like it, I'm sure it is excellent in its way, but the idea that it's just inherently intuitive and stuff is a triumph of marketing and socialization over real lived experience.
Second, there are two main reasons musicians, graphic designers etc. use OS X. The first is that it has an excellent software ecosystem for that kind of people. The second is the excellent and very expensive marketing that have successfully drummed it into the heads of artistically inclined people that they are not cool if they don't use Macs.
The actual user interface is a marginal factor.

The Mac has an edge if you use a laptop as a laptop. The way they have built the UI and navigation around gestures, and have a trackpad that is super comfy instead of stuck in 2008 like Lenovo etc, is lightyears ahead of Linux and Windows. But the moment you want to use it as a desktop (i.e. with a mouse and doing "productivity") it's a cumbersome shitshow that needs "extensions" and other hacks to get it to be even remotely effective to work with. After having used first Windows, then going OSX + Linux, then full Linux, and now ocasionally using OSX (laptop) while majority Linux (desktop + laptop), the gestures is the only thing OSX really does well IMO. The rest of the UI/UX isn't really that great.

http://airyx.org/ [External Link] I'm going to have to try this to see if it's 'OSX-like' enough :) More for convincing others to leave Apple than myself, I quite like Linux desktops, and MacOS bugs me.

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