Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: hardpenguin

Quoting: CatKillerIt's generally quite straightforward: they aren't very good at game development.

The, "oh, but the sales," or, "oh, but the fragmentation," or, "oh, the graphics drivers," are just flimsy excuses because they don't want to admit to themselves that they kinda suck at their job.

No. And saying things like this only proves you have no idea not only about game development but also project management.

Making a game multiplatform from the start lets you make your game better cheaper, faster, and easier even if you never make a single sale on another platform. When you're looking for bugs to squash you want to throw your code at everything you can find. Different compilers, different environments. Bugs in your code might be elusive (but still present) in one environment, but be able to be replicated every time in a different one, which lets you find it and fix it. Making something work on Linux gets you a whole bunch of different compilers and environments for free, which helps you debug your code that you might also be using on Windows, PlayStation, Xbox, Switch, wherever. And, hey, now that your application is nicely modular and spec-compliant, with separation of tasks, and survives all sorts of changes in environment, you've got handy entry points should you want DLC, or to help with modding through Steam Workshop if you want.

But please, tell us more about how sloppy coding practices aren't a sign of sloppy coding practices.

Very much this! I still don't know why there aren't more development houses seeing the benefits here. So many of them have no problems with releasing their server side stuff for Linux, but not the client. So they clearly have SOME coders working for them that are aware of how Linux development works. Switching to Vulkan/OpenGL as the main API vs DirectX gives you so much more flexibility on where you can release your game. Look at how many of the games on the Switch also have native Linux releases. That should kind of show how wise a decision it is to release on multiple platforms from the beginning, and use engines that support everything equally.

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Quoting: randyl

Quoting: dpanterI wish them luck, but my reaction was also along the lines of another one?! :unsure:

I kind of get where you're coming from, but this seems different to me. For one thing I don't feel like I really have a lot of choice when it comes to Gnome 3. And I don't know how to say this without insulting other DEs, but to me only Gnome and KDE are robust enough to even consider.

I love Fedora but have come to loathe Gnome. I like a lot about what it could offer, but the team and their decisions and need to control their users experience drive me bonkers. I want Gnome to look and behave how I want it to not how they, the Gnome team, want me to. I finally gave up on them because nearly every Gnome update broke Dash to Panel, the extension that let me make my DE look and feel how I like.

This is a great development for System 76 users in my opinion. It doesn't solve the Gnome control freak issue for anyone else, but it's good for S76.

I've been waiting for KDE to actually work well with Nvidia, and it's coming along, if not very slowly. Fortunately at work we don't even use desktop environments for the servers. We remote in. I know I could roll Arch and not have to deal with any DE, but I don't want to put that amount of effort into building and maintaining my desktop.

I'd suggest Debian and pulling in one of the many desktop systems in there. Then just keep a backup of your configs so you can move it around. Easy! I may go back to wmaker. :p

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Quoting: riusma

Quoting: KohlyKohlThey should just switch to KDE and provide their own theme...

K-Pop!_OS ? :happy:

Not that I like KDE. But this cracks me up.

Curious... why do people like Docks? Personally I use the default Gnome setup because I like that it isn't constantly on my screen by default. I come from a long line of systems that didn't have task bars, and quit frankly like it that way. Windows 95-XP had a nice minimanlistic one that didn't take up extra vertical space. Gnome 2 was odd because they had the smaller panels, but were top/bottom. The gnome dock being off to the left and set to autohide makes so much more sense to me.

1) it is closer to the activities hot corner. So in one fluid movement I can fling the .ouse to the upper left, then straight down to the dock to launch something without touching the keyboard. Or if I want to only use keyboard, meta key, then type, maybe some arrows, and enter. Boom launched application.
2) with the dock moved to the bottom of the screen (in both gnome 40 and Cosmic), you would have to go up, then down (assuming auto-hide is on, which for me it would be...)
3) now that screens are more commonly wide, ultrawide and super ultrawide... having a goant dock at the bittom with grey space around it looks REALLY hideous...

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: Purple Library GuyRather, in real life there seem to have been many efforts to give X upgrades and overhauls to deal with various issues, and the developers finally hit a wall where they didn't see any way forward except to start fresh. I'm not a techie, but on a non-techie level I've been following all this for many years, and it seems the problem is that how applications, graphics cards and their drivers and so on want to interact with screens has changed a lot since X was first written; the whole paradigm just doesn't apply any more and getting it to pretend gradually became kludge upon kludge upon kludge.

Yep, pretty much.

X was state of the art in 1984. For comparison, the GPU as we understand it now was invented some 15 years later.

The biggest change is how multiple windows are combined - composited - to create something that's drawn on a screen. That's an extension for X rather than part of the main thing - support for bitmapped fonts and being able to draw dashed lines are part of the main thing - but it's where all the actual work is done. And the other parts of the functionality of X have changed, too: input handling is completely different now, and throwing bitmaps over the network is not really terribly efficient.

So Wayland makes the compositor the central part, uses more relevant input and output handing, and gets rid of the network stuff entirely.

There are aspects of Wayland's design, implementation, and history that, in my view, have hampered its adoption and desirability. But it's what we've got, since Mir didn't take off and X is no longer fit for purpose, so we have to make the best of it.

I swear I read at some point that they were planning on eventually replacing the networking / forwarding capabilities (they are extremely useful on occasion).

My understanding also is that Xorg is not 100% dead, it's just resting. They've nailed it to the perch, so to speak. Beautiful plumage.

They are maintaining it, there were some modules updated like a month or so ago. I'm a firm believer still that X was fine, and they just wanted something new to play with, so Wayland was born. I mean Xorg is an extremely stable / old code base, and who doesn't want to occasionally have something new to play with?

My test of whether or not I'm running Wayland now, as far too often I start finding random breakages, and random distributions default to Wayland now, I do an alt+F2 and 'r' in Gnome, and if it whines that I can't restart Gnome, I know I'm running in Wayland, as for some reason you can't reload Gnome in Wayland...

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Awesome! This game is pretty great!

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: slaapliedjeI wonder how much of this is for Redhat. Sure most people don't think RHEL when they think of gaming. But consider NVIDIA just recently opened official repositories for RH (they don't have them for any other distribution) and specifically for Quadro use. The fixes to hybrid graphics could also be down to RH based workstations (think Thinkpad P-series) needing it.

The wayland work also likely due to what I would assume the eventual inclusion in RH 9.x, or possibly a newer 8.x update.

Not that I am a huge Redhat fan, but they do seem to finance a huge majority of the Linux projects in some way.

I am a little unsure what do you mean by "official repositories for Red Hat". Just a driver package repo or some other form of repository?

In case of the first: https://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/ [External Link]
The is at least for openSUSE a dedicated repo hosted on the nvidia servers since several years now.

My apologize if I may misunderstand here something. I am just curious what you mean :D

Oh, well I'll be (and yes that's what I meant). I'm not sure how recent the RHEL ones were, but pretty sure when I had checked before last year, it did not exist. kind of surprised that opensuse has one. I mean I could see SLES having it. Is SLES still a thing?

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I wonder how much of this is for Redhat. Sure most people don't think RHEL when they think of gaming. But consider NVIDIA just recently opened official repositories for RH (they don't have them for any other distribution) and specifically for Quadro use. The fixes to hybrid graphics could also be down to RH based workstations (think Thinkpad P-series) needing it.

The wayland work also likely due to what I would assume the eventual inclusion in RH 9.x, or possibly a newer 8.x update.

Not that I am a huge Redhat fan, but they do seem to finance a huge majority of the Linux projects in some way.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyMy wife's opinion is that, while she's actually not a big fan of most of the beers and prefers a Corona, something like the craft beer revolution was needed because the North American bar culture was so putrid. She always found bars really hostile places--you could go there, but the loud music made it impossible to chat with a friend, and all the men would be giving you the once-over in the assumption you were there to be picked up. At the craft beer places, she can go and spend some time, alone or with friends or her daughters or even me, and feel comfortable and hear herself speak. There's an expectation that you're not there primarily to get hammered or be at a meat market and you might want to socialize.

I myself hate traditional North American bars, like traditional British pubs fairly well on average, and like the craft breweries pretty well too. Why the difference? Because both British pubs and craft breweries aren't fucking pits.

I've never been a bar guy. But always fashioned myself as someone who would go to a proper pub, if there were any around. But then I live in Utah, so we're not allowed to actually have fun anyhow. Fun fact: someone opened a club here for Mormons where they served energy drinks instead of alcohol... Because that's healthy...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8AP4qDBfqo [External Link]

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Ha, did they steal the plot of Rush's mighty album, 2112?

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