Quoting: ShmerlI think there will be demanding games that will benefit from high end cards even on 2560x1440, not just on 4K. After some analysis, I'm planning to get RX 6800 XT to be able eventually to play Cyberpunk 2077 on high settings with 2560x1440.

Also note, that apparently vkd3d-proton performance with Nvidia is not good, unlike with AMD. Phoronix tests don't really cover vkd3d-proton and dxvk in general, meaning those benchmarks don't tell the real story you'll be experiencing if you are using Wine / Proton, which is potentially a big amount of games. This will become more and more critical if there will be more games using DX12, which unfortunately is the current trend.

The real issue now is availability. I suspect there won't be any new cards available until next year.

Quoting: KimyrielleIs there still a reason to go for NVidia rather than AMD these days? I am shopping around for a new system too, but have basically ruled out NVidia, because AMD seems to be the much better deal these days, and getting rid of their proprietary driver rubbish is an added plus.

I don't think there is any reason to use it for gaming on Linux these days. The only ones who might have a strong reason to use Nvidia on Linux are those who are stuck with something that's using CUDA lock-in and can't easily migrate from it.

I think I've decided I am going to attempt an AMD RX6800 XT as well. The big question is... where can you get one? :P

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Quoting: GuestThere are few demanding AAA's on Linux. Most of my library works on my second hand 970 i bought for 180 € in 2016. When i will buy metro exodus i will let some graphic options down and maybe play it again if i get a better graphic card.

Borderlands 2 runs better at 720P but is kinda dead now and Alien Isolation too runs at 720P.

So i'll wait more.

Ha, I am the exact opposite, if I can't get playable frame rates at max resolution / settings, I will upgrade.
Granted with my monitor being 3840x1200@144hz, I may need to upgrade to either the 3080 or 6800 XT soon enough.

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Quoting: CybolicNVIDIA still doesn't support re-projection for use in VR, right?

You know, what? I think AMD drivers do? And if that's the case, that'd explain why others were saying that Elite Dangerous runs fine on Linux (Not that I can run it in Linux until someone writes up a scripting engine equivalent of the Thrustmaster Warthog has in Windows, as I now use that rather heavily.)

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Quoting: ShmerlI also don't see why it's such terrible thing to use even more original meaning of the word emulation ;) Hardware emulation doesn't define every other use.

Ha, because there really is no such thing as a hardware based emulator, but a hardware based recreation.
Let's take for example something like the Atari 5200. It can play 2600 games with an adapter. But if you take this adapter apart, it is basically a 2600 inside a case that wires up the TV output to the 2600 bits. It is all hardware.
Then we go to the Genesis / Mega Drive and playing sega Master System games. The base converter is just a remap of the cart pins, as the SMS hardware is already pretty much present in the Genesis.
Same goes for PS3 and playing PS2/1 games for the Phat one, the early ones had actual hardware inside them to run the previous systems' games. The newer versions can't because they strioped that hardware out to be cheaper.
PS4 / PS5 can only emulate the older systems, which is why you can't just pop any old game into them.
That is where the distinction is important.
The wrapper / emulation is a little blurrier, except as said, a wrapper or translator is more about translating API calls to run the software of another operating system. Emulation of course means that there is a layer where the attempt is made to translate machine language of the original hardware into software calls.

The reason most people get annoyed when people label things wrong is there is a level of effort difference. A lot of reverse engineering and debugging and testing go into each of them, but there is definitely a different level of knowledge when it comes to needing to emulate multiple chips in software.

But we should all know this, knowing that there is more specific knowledge to really use Linux at a high level too. Well, I know this is a gaming site, so I know I shouldn't assume we all felt the fun of installing Linux off floppy drives and 1200 baud modems. :p

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: omer666

Quoting: scaine

Atari ST was better than Amiga

Agreed with everything you said, except this. And I had both of them!

Me too! I love them both equally, but I got my ST first, so it's just edging out the Amiga for me!

It really depends on time frame. The ST was initially better and had the upper hand. Then developers actually started using the Amiga... it went from original games on the ST and ports to the Amiga, to originals on the Amiga and ports to the ST.
But for professional things, the ST seemed to have the edge on everything but graphics / audio and video editing. The ST just killed for music production though.

Ha, completely off topic...

But back to the emulation thing... yes emulation is specifically to emulate hardware. Even DosBox is considered an emulator as it has to emulate earlier x86 CPUs for functions that don't exist anymore. ScummVM is as much as an emulator as Wine is. Hint: it isn't.

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Quoting: Valck

Quoting: slaapliedjetheir first game, Fahrenheit

Nitpicking here, their first game was Omikron, also known as The Nomad Soul [External Link], around the turn of the millennium; notably featuring David Bowie in a concert appearance.
That was a bit of a big thing back then, motion capturing was still hot and new, like In Extremo's performance in the first part of the Gothic series which must have been about the same time.
I have to admit I haven't played any of their later titles; The Nomad Soul was such a special experience that I couldn't see myself playing anything even remotely similar. Very much the opposite happened with Gothic, where I had to play every part start-to-finish, and re-play it again shortly before the next instalment came out... good times.

Oh, I have that game! Bought it at some point, I think on GOG? Friend of mine bought it back in the day, but he couldn't get it to work right or couldn't figure it out. I actually meant earlier game like those... but interesting they also made Omikron.

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: scaineMan, this is like the The Witcher 2 argument all over again. My personal view is that whatever is under the hood is largely irrelevant, provided it performs reasonably. That's a vague term, and dependent on your hardware, sure, but "native" for me is nothing to do with wine, dxvk, togl, indirectx or whatever is doing the translation. It's whether the developer is willing to put a Linux logo on the store front.

As for Wine Is Not an Emulator? It amazes me people still care about this recursive "joke" and the distinction it implies. It runs Windows software in Linux, with a performance hit. Who cares if it's actually a re-implementation of the underlying windows system calls? As Alm888 notes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... we may as well call it a duck. No-one who isn't a pretty hard-core Linux nerd will care about whatever that distinction means in real terms.

You also probably think FPGA implementations are emulators? :p

My favorite recursive acronym was MiNT, which initially stood for MiNT is Not TOS. Atari couldn't come up with their own mutitasking thing so snagged that and called it MiNT is Now TOS.

There is NO inherent performance hit with Wine. It is simply a matter of whether or not the APIs are are implemented correctly and they translate well to a performant equivalent in Linux. This is why somethings are faster and other things are slower. This is also why it is strictly NOT emulation. So you are calling a moose a duck just because it can quack.

Yep. And, like, five people care about that distinction. Or fifteen. Hell, let's make it a couple of hundred. Ar we happy now? It's irrelevant!

There is a thing called latency and it is real. People who use things such as the MiSTer can pretty much tell right away the differences to the Raspberry Pi. So just because you don't care, does not mean others do not.

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Quoting: scaineMan, this is like the The Witcher 2 argument all over again. My personal view is that whatever is under the hood is largely irrelevant, provided it performs reasonably. That's a vague term, and dependent on your hardware, sure, but "native" for me is nothing to do with wine, dxvk, togl, indirectx or whatever is doing the translation. It's whether the developer is willing to put a Linux logo on the store front.

As for Wine Is Not an Emulator? It amazes me people still care about this recursive "joke" and the distinction it implies. It runs Windows software in Linux, with a performance hit. Who cares if it's actually a re-implementation of the underlying windows system calls? As Alm888 notes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... we may as well call it a duck. No-one who isn't a pretty hard-core Linux nerd will care about whatever that distinction means in real terms.

You also probably think FPGA implementations are emulators? :p

My favorite recursive acronym was MiNT, which initially stood for MiNT is Not TOS. Atari couldn't come up with their own mutitasking thing so snagged that and called it MiNT is Now TOS.

There is NO inherent performance hit with Wine. It is simply a matter of whether or not the APIs are are implemented correctly and they translate well to a performant equivalent in Linux. This is why somethings are faster and other things are slower. This is also why it is strictly NOT emulation. So you are calling a moose a duck just because it can quack.

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Quoting: GuestNot linux native games but you can get the Quantic Dreams bundle for 38.99 . Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls and Detroit Become Human. The first two are great.. haven't played Detroit yet.

I have Detroit on the PS4, interesting game, but wasn't as cool as Until Dawn, which I beat. I should get back to Detroit and win it.
Didn't their first game, Fahrenheit come out for Linux?
Edit: It did! https://www.mobygames.com/game/fahrenheit-indigo-prophecy-remastered [External Link]

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Quoting: undeadbydawnit's on Humble sale right now if you haven't already

Here's a fun observation:
Back in the day, pre-steam on Linux, the porting houses would always take a long while to release the Linux version, and then would of course charge full price for it, as they had to make their money back from getting the license to port, etc. So we'd end up paying full price for a game that had been out for potentially years.

Fast forward to today, thanks to Steam and having one purchase per all available platforms, and thanks to Humble Bundle, if the developer ends up taking a long time to port the game, it's likely to already show up on Humble Bundle, or a Steam sale. Really, the developers now are kind of forced to do same day (or near enough to) release, if they actually want to make the full amount on their games.

Kind of weird though, as I'd pay full price for it being native, but at the same time would be rather stupid if I did when it's on sale...

To be fair, I haven't even beaten the first game...

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