Quoting: CorbenOof, RIP SteamVR for macOS.

I'm curious if this will shift the focus of developers, or if VR on macOS wasn't in their interest at all. Though I have still have a MacBook Pro from 2011, I never tried VR as I think its hardware is way too weak. There were already a handful of native VR games on Linux since the beginning of VR, but I was not aware of any native macOS VR titles.

In the Steam Hardware survey macOS has a higher share than Linux, and it was (almost) never an issue for devs to support macOS... so might this be the start of the end for games on macOS? Maybe mac gamers are switching to Linux, as Windows users apparently didn't with the end of the support of Windows 7.

Though I'm a big fan of having the freedom of choice, and dropping support for a platform is limiting choice, I have to admit, that I'm happy it wasn't the drop of Linux support.

Oh Windows 7 will have diehard people still using it and refusing to upgrade for at least another 5 years. Pretty sure there are still people using XP, and I've even seen a continual service pack being created / added to for 98SE...

I wonder how many of the percentage of mac vs linux users on Steam are due to simpler games, like say the hidden object type games, that aren't very hardware intensive. Your average macbook would be able to handle those fine.

When was the last macbook pro you could even get a dedicated GPU on? Not many people are going to be playing games on the trash can or the new mac pro that has a crazy cost.

Here's the real question that should be asked though. It's not macOS having higher share than Linux. It's 'How many macOS users has a VR system connected to it vs how many people with Linux machines have a VR system connected to it?' I bet you it's probably 0% compared to not 0%. :)

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Quoting: EhvisMost power right now is probably with the Hackintosh users. Which still use the official nvidia drivers.

Which Valve can't directly say they can support it, as they're definitely on the gray side of legal.
That's like a couple macbooks that were given to me, the only way to go beyond El Capitan on them is to use a hacked installer for the newer releases, to include drivers that were yanked out of the macOS releases. There literally is no other reason they can't still support systems from 2008/9, beyond they don't want to, and because nvidia and Apple can't get along.

Of course I don't know all the details of that, but from an Apple fan's perspective, it's because nvidia's drivers are crappy, and Apple had to write their own?

I think nvidia's drivers are actually pretty damned good, it's pretty much the only reason I chose them over AMD.

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Quoting: cusa123What makes me angry about valve is that it is not available worldwide. I want to buy one in my country but it doesn't arrive or there isn't one.
I want to go to linux!

You must be confusing SteamVR with Valve Index.

What is SteamVR, then?

SteamVR is the software that works with all the VR headsets vs Valve Index is the Hardware head mounted display.

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I would like to know who was using SteamVR on the Mac?
1) most of them simply do not have the GPU power to do it. Unless you get an expensive eGPU.
2) what software worked in VR? They have to wrap VK through Metal
3) Who still games on a mac? I'd think most mac users who game do it on either a Win/Lin computer, or on game consoles.
4) Most hardware that used to be game worthy have stopped getting new OS updates made for them (specifically the nvidia based ones).

I'm just wondering what sort of hardware was even required that Apple provides that could handle VR?

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Quoting: Xaero_VincentManjaro is a great choice for people wanting a bit more polish

What if they want a bit more Danish?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRyFmvGQCeE [External Link]

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Quoting: Patola

Quoting: GuestThis is a very bad game, there’s an alien that moves randomly and one-shoots you, it’s not fun at all.

This is not an FPS. It's a quieter, smarter, slower type of game. The alien is indestructible but the fun is in learning its patterns and avoiding him in an intelligent manner. Together with the facts that many things you do require attention to perform (crafting, opening some doors, burning open panels, etc.), it makes for incredibly tense moments and legitimate scare and startling feelings.

Its quality in the genre is widely recognized and it made a mark in game design, you can check all the videos analyzing it on youtube. Frankly, it's awkward to try and explain this is not Aliens: Space Marines, it's a superb survival horror game. But it seems that once people only know a hammer, they think everything is a nail...

It is also a proper sequel to Aliens. The story very much mixes that in, if I recall. But is more along the lines of the original Alien in pacing and style.
I only got so far into it, definitely one on my list of 'will eventually play for sure'.
I still need to win Penumbra, that game gives me high anxiety though!

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Quoting: BeamboomI couldn't even get past the tutorial of this game - too scared, I was preparing myself to look straight into an alien face around every single corner until I had no more nerves left to continue 😂

I should order a 30 pack of underwear and play this in VR.

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This is probably what I would be running right now on my Thinkpad P52, except the installer doesn't work with RAID0 installs (unless they fixed that in this version?)

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Been running Fedora 31 on my P52 and with the RAID0 NVMe, it freaking flies! Also have a Windows 10 VM in Boxes that I use for copying files to my Apple IIGS Compact Flash card, as Ciderpress only works in Windows, and I swear Windows runs faster in a VM under this config than bare metal...
Only thing that is having a problem, was a bug in F31 with the firmware updater, something was causing it to timeout (known bug not related to Lenovo). Not sure if they fixed that upstream yet, as I have had it removed for a while.

Also haven't figured out how to get the fingerprint reader to work, even though F31 said they had worked on that...

This is exciting though, love my P52, it is a beast!

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Quoting: eldakingI'll wait a bit anyway and probably will update to 20.04 if it isn't too obnoxious to avoid snaps for most things, or if at least it works well.

sudo apt purge snapd will get rid of snaps entirely. Easy enough.

Sure, but will any default programs be removed by that - like say, the calculator? (I legit don't know what would happen to installed snaps)

And will the Ubuntu repositories contain non-snap alternatives for stuff? If they stop maintaining stuff in the repos because they now use snaps, it becomes impractical to use the distro without it. (While, presumably, other distros could still have those normally... at least for now)

Hey, thank you both for this! I had a look on my system and sure enough, not only was snapd installed but among the few snaps installed on my system was gnome-calculator. I was wondering why the hell the calculator in Ubuntu took a freaking minute to load. Went ahead and installed the calculator from apt and now it loads in less than a second like a good calculator should... oh, and also I'm removing all of snapd and REPLACING ALL THE OTHER SNAPS WITH PACKAGES THAT ACTUALLY WORK RIGHT. ...And seriously contemplating switching to like, Debian or something.

I have been running Debian Sid for pretty much decades at this point. Sure I've played with other distributions along the way, but mostly stick with Debian Sid. You CAN install snapd and flatpak if you'd like in Debian, but it doesn't try to abuse it's users and force it upon anyone.

Thanks for the advice, but my musing about switching to Debian is largely fueled by wanting to avoid snapd. Maybe flatpack's better, but frankly I don't see the use much. ("Am I so out of touch...?")
But no matter what you think of the concept, I hope we can all agree that taking a minute to load a calculator, something that could load in about a second on Windows 95, is unacceptable.

Ha, yeah my point is you can avoid both by going to debian, they just give you the option if you want to go down that path, which is fantastic.
Flatpack and snap both try to fill up /, so if you have a separate /home, it can cause some issues. I had been testing something in a VM and the flatpak package cache did that to me.

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