Quoting: Arehandoro8, 16, 24 and 40 GB RAM configuration... Why can't they change the embedded module to 16 to have symmetric RAM on 32GB? That's pretty weird.

I was considering giving it a try even with Intel but not with those configs.

If I were to guesss. It comes with 8gb of RAM soldered to the board.
That way you get 8 (empty slot), 16 (8+8), 24 (8+16), 40 (8+32).
I have an Asus that is that way, though I tried swapping the 8 out with a 16, and while the BIOS saw it, neither Windows nor Linux saw the extra memory.

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Quoting: kuhpunktI just hope it gets sensors for VR.

Yes Please.
Also, everyone look at the Thrustmaster eSwap Pro. I hope that Valve does something like this. It is probably the best controller I have ever used, and I am a controller snob.

Anyhow, for all the naysayers about the original Steam Controller. Sure it had its issues, but it really is the best gamepad for FPS games. Also fantastic as far as other types, and makes games that typically only work well with a mouse / trackball playable from a gamepad.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeI think I can fairly bash them, I just installed the beta that I downloaded yesterday, and I can't even 'apt update' because it says the repos aren't valid for another 5 hours... wtf?

Cool story, bro.

I literally never got a response which told me that "repos are not valid until..". Occassionally regional repos can be lagging slightly behind the main repo (this goes unnoticed unless you switch to the main repo and an apt update reveals it). Last but not least you would be on a beta branch where certain problems might be expected.

Yeah, I have been using Debian and derivatives for going on 20+ years now and have never seen that error.

Did you maybe not configure the VM to use the correct time and you got "InRelease is not valid yet"? See https://ahelpme.com/linux/ubuntu/ubuntu-apt-inrelease-is-not-valid-yet-invalid-for-another-151d-18h-5min-59s/ [External Link]

I just used the default VMware Workstation Pro 'easy install' for Ubuntu. Doubt it did anything to the clock. Was definitely an odd thing to see.

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Quoting: slaapliedjeI think I can fairly bash them, I just installed the beta that I downloaded yesterday, and I can't even 'apt update' because it says the repos aren't valid for another 5 hours... wtf?

Cool story, bro.

I literally never got a response which told me that "repos are not valid until..". Occassionally regional repos can be lagging slightly behind the main repo (this goes unnoticed unless you switch to the main repo and an apt update reveals it). Last but not least you would be on a beta branch where certain problems might be expected.

Yeah, I have been using Debian and derivatives for going on 20+ years now and have never seen that error.

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I should try some of the racing games I have again woth support for VR under Proton. I don't know if this one supports VR or not though.

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I wonder with the large changes to package management that Ubuntu 20.04 is doing, if they'll try to do what Mint does and come up with a Pop_Debian Edition?

I already like Pop_OS! more than Ubuntu, based on them not installing flatpak or snapd by default.

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Quoting: Redface

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Quoting: slaapliedjeWait, what? They switched back to Gnome because they don't have the man power to work on Unity, which is just a gnome hack.

No its not. Unless we have quite different ideas what a "hack" is.

As far as everything I saw of it, they basically took gtk3 / gnome-shell and tweaked some things on it, made compoz sort of work with it and called it Unity.

What did you "see"? Did you dig into the code? I honestly didn't. But from the timeline alone that's already hard to accept: Unity was rolled out with 11.04 (the precursor came already with 10.10's netbook edition), pretty much exactly the same time as Gnome Shell 3.0 was presented. A cursory glance at the Wikipedia pages show that Gnome Shell is developed in C/JS, whereas Unity is written in C/C++/Python and Vala. Gnome Shell requires GDM, Unity requires LightDM, Nux instead of Clutter, Compiz instead of Mutter. If you wanted to use Gnome Shell on 11.04 you had to completely remove Unity beforehand.

They used the software stack of Gnome. But calling Unity a Gnome Shell hack is pretty far-fetched.

Quoting: slaapliedjeI never used it much because I hate having the dock take desktop space.

But you know it's a hack. This smells more like Canonical bashing.

I think I can fairly bash them, I just installed the beta that I downloaded yesterday, and I can't even 'apt update' because it says the repos aren't valid for another 5 hours... wtf?

Maybe the local mirror you use is under maintenance, but I dont remember to ever saw a message like that in over 20 years of using ubuntu and debian before there was Ubuntu. Can you post the exact message?

I just updated and upgraded 2 20.04 systems in the last hours.

You can switch to a different mirror in the Software & Updates program.

It was using http://us.archive.ubuntu.com [External Link]. it was a fresh install, absolutely nothing done on it except apt update.

I trashed the VM and decided I should do some work instead for now...

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Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: slaapliedjeWait, what? They switched back to Gnome because they don't have the man power to work on Unity, which is just a gnome hack.

No its not. Unless we have quite different ideas what a "hack" is.

As far as everything I saw of it, they basically took gtk3 / gnome-shell and tweaked some things on it, made compoz sort of work with it and called it Unity.

What did you "see"? Did you dig into the code? I honestly didn't. But from the timeline alone that's already hard to accept: Unity was rolled out with 11.04 (the precursor came already with 10.10's netbook edition), pretty much exactly the same time as Gnome Shell 3.0 was presented. A cursory glance at the Wikipedia pages show that Gnome Shell is developed in C/JS, whereas Unity is written in C/C++/Python and Vala. Gnome Shell requires GDM, Unity requires LightDM, Nux instead of Clutter, Compiz instead of Mutter. If you wanted to use Gnome Shell on 11.04 you had to completely remove Unity beforehand.

They used the software stack of Gnome. But calling Unity a Gnome Shell hack is pretty far-fetched.

Quoting: slaapliedjeI never used it much because I hate having the dock take desktop space.

But you know it's a hack. This smells more like Canonical bashing.

I think I can fairly bash them, I just installed the beta that I downloaded yesterday, and I can't even 'apt update' because it says the repos aren't valid for another 5 hours... wtf?

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Quoting: slaapliedjeThen they kept determining to be 'unique' in the huge Linux landscape, and pushing technologies that no one else supported, so they didn't get that much support, as Canonical is not that big.. Snap is one of those things, and it's direct competition with flatpak, which a lot of distributions/software has adopted, is what rubs me raw about it at this point.

Some of the stuff Canonical does is / was better than what its competitors are / were doing... Unity for example, was far better than the garbage that is GNOME 3.x. And Snap is theoretically superior to Flatpak in various ways, though Flatpak is more "open", which is an especially big selling point in the Linux Community. Yet another example would be "Mir", which as I understand it is theoretically superior to Wayland, though again, the latter would be considered more "open".

Quoting: slaapliedjeMy point was that Canonical wanted their own so started Snap, instead of working with everyone else and supporting flatpak.

Your comments imply everyone supports Flatpak, which is not the case. And there are numerous "key" distros that have no support for Flatpak "out of the box" - some of those distros support Snap "out of the box", others support neither packaging format "out of the box".

Canonical is not the only one that uses "bully boy" tactics to push their agenda - The GNOME Project is notorious for this (though they are not the only ones), which is part of the reason why distros will sometimes package inferior GNOME programs by default, ahead of superior alternatives.

You can call out Canonical for being a bully - but not at the expense of pretending they're the only ones that do this...

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Quoting: slaapliedjeMy point was that Canonical wanted their own so started Snap, instead of working with everyone else and supporting flatpak.

You know snaps came first, right? The failed internal Ubuntu project was Ubuntu Phone. Unity, Mir and snaps were all created for that.

This.

And whilst most of the stuff Canonical were pushing has since been abandoned in part or in full, the "end goal" for many of these various projects was far more grand than what most of Canonical's competitors are or were planning... Sadly, most of Canonical's projects never came close to the desired "end goal".

There is a difference between a software project making UI decisions vs a Distribution pushing things. Unity has always been more garbage than Gnome everytime I attempted to use it. The truth of the matter is, both Gnome-Shell and KDE plasma should have been cooked a bit more before distributions started shipping with them. This hatred toward either was based on the few years where they were terrible to use. Now both are very nice, and Ubuntu wisened up and stopped taking the gnome libraries and making Unity.

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Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: slaapliedjeWait, what? They switched back to Gnome because they don't have the man power to work on Unity, which is just a gnome hack.

No its not. Unless we have quite different ideas what a "hack" is.

As far as everything I saw of it, they basically took gtk3 / gnome-shell and tweaked some things on it, made compoz sort of work with it and called it Unity. I never used it much because I hate having the dock take desktop space.

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