Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mountain ManI'm curious how it's going to distinguish itself from Crusader Kings II and Europa Universalis IV.

Makes perfect sense to me, this game deals with Roman times, CK2 is Dark/Middle Ages, Europa Universalis is from 1500(?) to WWII, Hearts of Iron is WWII. So only thing they'd be missing after this is from WWII era to Stellaris.

Basically making Civilization, one tech level at a time!

I mean in terms of gameplay and not just setting. Crusader Kings II is an RPG/dynasty simulator. Europa Universalis IV is about the politics and economic management of a nation. Heats of Iron IV focuses on the build up to and execution of war including complex battle strategies. What will be the gameplay focus of Imperator: Rome?

Good question there really is a theme going through the ages like this that makes sense. Either way, I own all of them, but damned if I've ever found the time to actually figure out any of them! I keep loading them up, then realizing I should learn how to play, then I start watching some tutorials, then decide to take a nap...

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Quoting: slaapliedje

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Quoting: EikeWell, at least we have the 99th "retro inspired" whatever, don't we? :'(

Yeah, but this one's probably 'inspired by' such retro titles as this: https://youtu.be/-Bd1tKfPr6s [External Link]

I figured this is a given since Crusader Kings II begins about the time of the end of the Roman Empire. So not sure why it's 'retro inspired'.

That referred to the original news which said Imperator: Rome might not be coming. Which would be one less in the occasional break from "retro inspired".

Oh, ha I misread. Fun thing about Roman era based games. There was a game in the early 90s I had on the Atari ST called Caesar. If I recall the European release had in the forum the 'Slave' and it was a black character. In the US version it was a white guy and they called it a 'Serf'.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/caesar/screenshots [External Link] if no one believes me...

Anyhow, that was a fun game. It was mostly about watching your borders as you expanded, otherwise the Gauls would rampage on through and wipe you out.

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Open world RPGs is something Linux has quite a big lack of, so the steampunk-inspired RPG Gyre: Nova State would be a welcome addition.

I actually think there are quite a lot of open world RPGs for Linux. The problem is there aren't many really GREAT ones. They all kind of play in a similar way too.

I hate the fact that most of the time 'open world' means you are plopped in an environment with not much if any story line, you end up roaming around and chopping down trees and gathering resources and crafting, but not much else.

Now if it's more along the line of Shadow of Mordor or Dying Light that's great! If it's something like ARK, which mind you is a beautiful game, but feels pointless if you don't play multiplayer (which I rarely do).

This does look good though!

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Quoting: Mountain ManI'm curious how it's going to distinguish itself from Crusader Kings II and Europa Universalis IV.

Makes perfect sense to me, this game deals with Roman times, CK2 is Dark/Middle Ages, Europa Universalis is from 1500(?) to WWII, Hearts of Iron is WWII. So only thing they'd be missing after this is from WWII era to Stellaris.

Basically making Civilization, one tech level at a time!

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Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: EikeWell, at least we have the 99th "retro inspired" whatever, don't we? :'(

Yeah, but this one's probably 'inspired by' such retro titles as this: https://youtu.be/-Bd1tKfPr6s [External Link]

I figured this is a given since Crusader Kings II begins about the time of the end of the Roman Empire. So not sure why it's 'retro inspired'.

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Quoting: GuestI hate this kind of hypocricy :"Due to the large variety of Linux versions".

Oh yeah? Go F yourselves you worthless hacks who can't code a single hello world in c and you claim to be game makers... It is fine if you don't want to support the platform, but at least stop with the filthy excuses. There is no "large variety of Linux versions", there is only one Linux, the kernel. And you don't have to support every distro, as long as you support some common libraries. But you wouldn't know that because you never made the effort.

Grow up. It's people with attitudes like yours that make developers not want to support Linux.

And yes, you DO have to make the effort to support a few different distros, because otherwise people complain LOUDLY even if you say "Only supports SteamOS/Ubuntu". I know, because I've been there and done it. Even though VP only officially supported SteamOS/Ubuntu, I tested against Fedora, Arch and SuSE to cover as many bases as possible. There were distro-specific library issues I had to sort out. No, just using steam-runtime does not solve it all for you.

Patola is pretty much spot on with everything he's said...

Except this would be using Codeweavers, and hence Wine. So as long as Wine works on a distro (which is pretty much already packaged and tested on ever distro) it should work, right?

As said earlier, usually getting Steam and most games under it working, it's just a matter of having the 32bit libs installed.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: F.UltraStill sad that still in 2018 things get's completely wiped on firmware updates. Wouldn't it be nice if vendors of controllers, BIOS/UEFI, Smart TVs and so on would put the configuration on a separate memory location that didn't get wiped.

Speaking of wiping things...

I was all happy, booted into Linux, launched Steam, which I thought pulled in the new version, but it doesn't auto-restart itself, so when I turned on the Steam Controller, nothing. Restarted Steam, it then said there was a firmware. Started the firmware update, but it said I had to plug it in.

Plugged it in and... my hard drive went away. Now I'm creating a LiveCD to fix my Debian install.... looks like grub got completely borked!

Hopefully my drive still has data on it... it literally started popping up a bunch of ext4 errors.. :(

I think this is one of the "don't confuse correlation with causation" situations. Unless it required you to be root I have a hard time seeing Steam being able to overwrite the MBR of your drive. Most likely is that there is some kind of problem with your drive that happened to show itself at that particular moment (perhaps the download of the firmware was the first time there where a write done on this particular partition for some time).

My theory is that it tried to mount the Steam Controller as a drive, and for some weird reason my BIOS decided that drive should be /dev/sdb (my Linux drive) because it acted exactly as if /dev/sdb had been unplugged. I ended up updating my bios there was a fairly recent update) and then doing the update again and it worked fine.

The thing is, clearly Steam doesn't have to be root to write the firmware to Steam Controller, it also doesn't have to be root if you have Linux set up to be able to mount USB devices automatically, which almost all desktop OS's are set up that way.

To be fair, it never actually got to the 'update firmware' stage, it gave an error that I needed to plug it in, I plugged it in, the dialog disappeared as did my system.. .for a time. Besides having to run grub-install /dev/sda and update-grub (after I got back into Debian to add Windows back to the boot loader).

So your hard drive was connected over USB? Well that might explain it then.

No, it is over SATA. I do have to point out that these two SATA drives I have do have a weird issue with randomly disappearing off the bus, causing the OS to crash, but this is the first time it has happened to my Linux drive (the other one has Windows 10 on it and has done it a few times.)

I think it is time for a reinstall of Debian Sid anyhow, something funky is going on, since it won't read Audio CDs, yet my Arch Linux install on another drive woks perfectly fine.

Sounds like the issue is more likely connected to your "randomly disappearing off the bus" then. An application needs to be root in order to write to the block level of any device, that you can upgrade the firmware of the SC without beeing root is due to it performing firmware updates as either normal file transfer or with their own protocol on top of USB/BT.

Except that some auto-mounting stuff happens when you plug in a USB Stick. While yes, ultimately root access is required for all the udev bits and pieces for that to work, that means access is there for when installing a new USB device, because that can load new kernel modules.

It's not entirely a random thing if it happened the exact moment I plugged in the controller. Who knows. Every time something similar has happened to me, it's always been caused by these two Mushkin SSDs. Let's just say next time I get SSDs for my system, I won't be buying them from Mushkin.

Edit: Model number is MKNSSDCR480GB-7 in case anyone else wishes to avoid them.

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All anyone should do is base it upon SteamOS. Pretty much everything else would be compatible to that anyhow.

Besides, if they were planning on wrapping it up in Wine anyhow, how the hell would the Linux distro even matter?

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Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: F.UltraStill sad that still in 2018 things get's completely wiped on firmware updates. Wouldn't it be nice if vendors of controllers, BIOS/UEFI, Smart TVs and so on would put the configuration on a separate memory location that didn't get wiped.

Speaking of wiping things...

I was all happy, booted into Linux, launched Steam, which I thought pulled in the new version, but it doesn't auto-restart itself, so when I turned on the Steam Controller, nothing. Restarted Steam, it then said there was a firmware. Started the firmware update, but it said I had to plug it in.

Plugged it in and... my hard drive went away. Now I'm creating a LiveCD to fix my Debian install.... looks like grub got completely borked!

Hopefully my drive still has data on it... it literally started popping up a bunch of ext4 errors.. :(

I think this is one of the "don't confuse correlation with causation" situations. Unless it required you to be root I have a hard time seeing Steam being able to overwrite the MBR of your drive. Most likely is that there is some kind of problem with your drive that happened to show itself at that particular moment (perhaps the download of the firmware was the first time there where a write done on this particular partition for some time).

My theory is that it tried to mount the Steam Controller as a drive, and for some weird reason my BIOS decided that drive should be /dev/sdb (my Linux drive) because it acted exactly as if /dev/sdb had been unplugged. I ended up updating my bios there was a fairly recent update) and then doing the update again and it worked fine.

The thing is, clearly Steam doesn't have to be root to write the firmware to Steam Controller, it also doesn't have to be root if you have Linux set up to be able to mount USB devices automatically, which almost all desktop OS's are set up that way.

To be fair, it never actually got to the 'update firmware' stage, it gave an error that I needed to plug it in, I plugged it in, the dialog disappeared as did my system.. .for a time. Besides having to run grub-install /dev/sda and update-grub (after I got back into Debian to add Windows back to the boot loader).

So your hard drive was connected over USB? Well that might explain it then.

No, it is over SATA. I do have to point out that these two SATA drives I have do have a weird issue with randomly disappearing off the bus, causing the OS to crash, but this is the first time it has happened to my Linux drive (the other one has Windows 10 on it and has done it a few times.)

I think it is time for a reinstall of Debian Sid anyhow, something funky is going on, since it won't read Audio CDs, yet my Arch Linux install on another drive woks perfectly fine.

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I beat the original Myst on the Atari Jaguar CD. I think I have it for the Amiga somewhere too. It is one of those fames that released for just about every platform. I still need to play Obduction in VR (it is made by the same developers as Myst.)

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